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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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Agreed. God is powerful enough to do anything like that he wanted.
The reason I say the Gospel message and Bible in entirety shows that life doesn't exist elsewhere is this: Jesus dying on the cross. Genesis points to why Christ did that and Revelation points to eternity. Creation of life in other places doesn't make sense to me in light of the Gospel.
God made the earth first, then all the other stars, moons, etc...
The fall of Adam brought a curse on ALL CREATION and all of creation was from then on subject to sin, death, bondage and decay.
Other life then, though not related, would also be subject to this since all of creation is under the curse.
Christ came to this planet to teach, preach and save...paid the penalty here, gave the gospel message here...offers total redemption and restoration here.
Non related life on some distant place, suffering the same curse and gaining the same redemption? Is this other life sinless? Did they too have a fall from grace, suffer the wrath of God and need a savior? Will Jesus have to go die there too? The Son of God should go visit every planet, moon or star where life may exist to repeat the process? ----just doesn't harmonize with Scripture.
Again, just my take on it. Bible isn't red letter clear perhaps with specific verses saying life doesn't exist...true. But contextually, it doesn't make sense. I could be wrong, but from my limited understanding of God and His Word---Earth and earth alone was and is where God chose to create life.
I realize this is a very "out there" idea and I'm not saying I believe this is necessarily the case, but what if He did create life on some distant planet in another galaxy, and what if He did send a savior to them just as He did us, and what if He did give them their own gospel? The point is......there is simply no way we can understand the complexity of God or fathom what He can do or what He has already done. We just don't know. And I'm ok with that. One day, I'll meet Him and ask...
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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stray, I'm normally in pretty much 100% agreement with you on Biblical things, but I have to disagree with you on this.
Gods ways are not our ways and it wouldn't surprise me if he has created life on another planet, in another galaxy, or where ever. All He he would have to do is speak it into existence.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 10:20 AM
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We just don't know. And I'm ok with that. One day, I'll meet Him and ask... I used to believe this, too, that one day I'd ask God about this or that. By then it won't matter, though. Right?
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 10:25 AM
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stray, I'm normally in pretty much 100% agreement with you on Biblical things, but I have to disagree with you on this.
Gods ways are not our ways and it wouldn't surprise me if he has created life on another planet, in another galaxy, or where ever. All He he would have to do is speak it into existence. Understood. Like I said, it is my simple perspective. God is able.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/28/15 10:27 AM
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Where there is water there are Ducks! Lets go boys!
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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I said , "water on Earth came from comets". You put what I said in quotes. LOL, thanks for the clarification. I know the words you used, but not sure of what you actually meant. If you are meaning that the source of earth's water is water that arrived by comets, then you are flat wrong. If you mean that comets did bring water to earth, I have no reason to doubt that. So which is it?
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 10:31 AM
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Where there is water there are Ducks! Lets go boys! avg temp is -67*F...............I don't think even my 5mm 1600 waders are gonna handle that...
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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How much is this crap costing the taxpayer? Billions and it's just getting started. Less than Security for the Pope!!!
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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Well it took Copernicus a while to convince folks that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, so I reckon I will be patient about the other stuff too.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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Water on Earth came from comets, so I really do not see the surprise with this news from NASA. They already knew that there was ice on Mars, and ice has a habit of thawing and flowing when sunlight hits it, even in Antarctica. I think the biggest surprise comes from the idea that the temperature and atmospheric pressures were in the right range to allow for the water to be liquid.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 10:41 AM
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is there anything Biblically that precludes any possibility of life on other planets? I'd say the Gospel message proves it. Genesis and Revelation are forever linked, as well as every word in between. But does the Bible ever say that we are the only life? I dont recall that, and I believe if there is life somewhere else God created it. Do you believe that God created the other stars or just ours? Could he have created life there too? They could also have been created in his image. This thread reminds me of a joke a youth minister told me once. There are a group of geneticists who tell God that they appreciate all he has done but they can do the same things. They can manipulate cells to change them, create new species and new plants. They tell God "we dont need you anymore." God smiles and says "Lets have one last test" He reaches down and grabs a handfull of dirt and poof a new animal is created. Nothing like it has ever existed. God smiles at the scientists ans says "your turn." The scientists start to reach for some dirt and God interupts them "STOP!! you must get your own dirt for this test". Needless to say the scientists failed, because everything we have came from God. Agreed. God is powerful enough to do anything like that he wanted. The reason I say the Gospel message and Bible in entirety shows that life doesn't exist elsewhere is this: Jesus dying on the cross. Genesis points to why Christ did that and Revelation points to eternity. Creation of life in other places doesn't make sense to me in light of the Gospel. God made the earth first, then all the other stars, moons, etc... The fall of Adam brought a curse on ALL CREATION and all of creation was from then on subject to sin, death, bondage and decay. Other life then, though not related, would also be subject to this since all of creation is under the curse. Christ came to this planet to teach, preach and save...paid the penalty here, gave the gospel message here...offers total redemption and restoration here. Non related life on some distant place, suffering the same curse and gaining the same redemption? Is this other life sinless? Did they too have a fall from grace, suffer the wrath of God and need a savior? Will Jesus have to go die there too? The Son of God should go visit every planet, moon or star where life may exist to repeat the process? ----just doesn't harmonize with Scripture. Again, just my take on it. Bible isn't red letter clear perhaps with specific verses saying life doesn't exist...true. But contextually, it doesn't make sense. I could be wrong, but from my limited understanding of God and His Word---Earth and earth alone was and is where God chose to create life. I understand what you are saying. This might make some people on here mad but there is a chance that God created life in many places to see what would develop. We may have exceeded his expectations in this area (and come up woefully short in many other areas). There might have been life on Mars a billion years ago and it somehow failed, either thru its on actions or a comet hitting it and killing everything. In a billion years after life on earth, there would be no evidence we were ever here. The pyramids would wear away as would the great wall of china. Everything we built would not remain. The earth itself looks nothing like it did a billion years ago. Regarding Jesus and his dying for us and other worlds being subject to that action... I dont know. The one thing I do know is that it scientists ever find a single amoeba there they will declare it as life, but a baby at 20 weeks is not considered alive. And that is really sad.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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God is God he can do whatever he wants. Yep, including giving some men more keen insight into dissecting and learning about science and things that are "out there" that other men can't, haven't or won't. I've always figured the Big Bang is true. When God created the heavens and the earth it happened, likely, in a flash and that was the Big Bang. Snap! Heavens, Earth, bango. God can do anything including putting water and possibly life of some kind in that water on Mars via comet or from something else. To say it's complete fiction is to disavow God's complete power and awesomeness.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 10:54 AM
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Agreed. God is powerful enough to do anything like that he wanted.
The reason I say the Gospel message and Bible in entirety shows that life doesn't exist elsewhere is this: Jesus dying on the cross. Genesis points to why Christ did that and Revelation points to eternity. Creation of life in other places doesn't make sense to me in light of the Gospel.
God made the earth first, then all the other stars, moons, etc...
The fall of Adam brought a curse on ALL CREATION and all of creation was from then on subject to sin, death, bondage and decay.
Other life then, though not related, would also be subject to this since all of creation is under the curse.
Christ came to this planet to teach, preach and save...paid the penalty here, gave the gospel message here...offers total redemption and restoration here.
Non related life on some distant place, suffering the same curse and gaining the same redemption? Is this other life sinless? Did they too have a fall from grace, suffer the wrath of God and need a savior? Will Jesus have to go die there too? The Son of God should go visit every planet, moon or star where life may exist to repeat the process? ----just doesn't harmonize with Scripture.
Again, just my take on it. Bible isn't red letter clear perhaps with specific verses saying life doesn't exist...true. But contextually, it doesn't make sense. I could be wrong, but from my limited understanding of God and His Word---Earth and earth alone was and is where God chose to create life.
I realize this is a very "out there" idea and I'm not saying I believe this is necessarily the case, but what if He did create life on some distant planet in another galaxy, and what if He did send a savior to them just as He did us, and what if He did give them their own gospel? The point is...... there is simply no way we can understand the complexity of God or fathom what He can do or what He has already done. We just don't know. And I'm ok with that. One day, I'll meet Him and ask... Another thing to consider is TIME. God has always been, if you believe earth is 8,000 or 8,000,000,000 years old. Think about that. He has always been. Everything we as humans know about has a beginning and a end. But not God. He was everywhere before he created the universe. That makes my brain hurt to think about. In my mind it is easy to believe that God created everything and is all powerful, but the aspect of having always been is the most difficult thing for me to understand.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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correct, and like I said, I'm ok with not understanding everything. It's called faith for a reason...if we knew the answer to every question, there would be no "faith" to it.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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my mind it is easy to believe that God created everything and is all powerful, but the aspect of having always been is the most difficult thing for me to understand.
I agree. The human mind can't truly comprehend that.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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Careful, now, throwin' around the word fact around here. Might get clocked upside the head with a helpin' of Deuteronomy or 1-2 combo of Ester.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 11:18 AM
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Well it took Copernicus a while to convince folks that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, so I reckon I will be patient about the other stuff too. Touche'  Nice comeback! Skinny, I know you are a smart man and generally likable in lots of areas. I think you have clarified your position with your silence. Not sure why it is difficult for you to explain what your meant with more detail...except for it is fun for you to be coy perhaps. Interesting how it is difficult to answer a simple question with a straight answer. I know you and I do not agree on certain things dealing with creation and how things came to be, no problem. I was just looking for clarification, nothing more. Perihelion process being responsible for all of earth's water is far-fetched evolutionary theory. Zero proof, just an idea to refute what Scripture says about water in the beginning. Recent studies on the water molecule isotopes on comets are changing some long held secular science beliefs from comets as the source to...wait for it...asteroids now. Wonder what the next latest theory will be in 30 years? I'll guess we'll both have to be patient.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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I hear you N2TRKYS, but the space program is really a huge success story for the common man. The money invested has come back to the taxpayer many times over. Without it, for the most part, the computer industry would not exist for the individual, GPS, internet, microwave technology, carbon structure technology, and much more. It is one government program that has some of the best minds in the world working almost as a private industry. And no, I don't work for NASA, I'm not nearly smart enough... Inventions are built out of necessity. Those things mentioned above may have been invented and expanded upon, anyway. I'm not against the placing and upkeep of satellites. But, I'm not so sure that water on Mars will affect most people's day to day life.
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