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Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? #1395723
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We grow bigger deer than Florida. Big deal.
Whats the factors?

Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395738
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I disagree with your assumption. Alabama, Tenn, Georgia, south Carolina are all similar. Mississippi grows some fine deer in the delta but the majority of Mississippi is on par with Alabama.



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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395739
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Age is more of a factor than the genetics. Alabama does not try to restrict the harvest of yearling bucks like other states. Granted these guidelines below don't protect young deer, they provide a greater survival rate of yearling bucks as opposed to our state laws.

The state of MS and their harvest guidelines statewide are better than AL. They start in the Hill and Southeast zone with min. 10" spead and 13"main beam length. The delta zone has a min. 12" spread and 15" beam length.

Georgia for example has a two buck limit where one buck is required to have a minimal 4 points on one side at least 1" or longer.

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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395740
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Alabama can not really compete with the MS river delta. That place is just something special all in its own.

Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395752
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There are some freak nasty bucks killed in Alabama every year. Man in my club killed a 192" in Bibb co last year. Too many people want to kill a buck instead of a 130+ deer. Hey won't get big hen killed at 100"


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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395807
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I've seen several pictures of bucks killed in the Florida panhandle that are as good as anything I've seen killed from Prattville south in Alabama.

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Alabama as a whole will never produce what mississippi does bc of soil, that mississippi mud is something special. Look in the alabama record book deer and the counties with the most deer with the exception of jackson co, are in the blackbelt. Most of miss has what the blackbelt has. Better soil, better plants, deer take up more nutrients. As simple as that


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Age.Example Kentucky


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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395866
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Nothing wrong with Bama genetics, age and soil ours will do just fine.



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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: booner] #1395870
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Originally Posted By: booner
Age is more of a factor than the genetics. Alabama does not try to restrict the harvest of yearling bucks like other states. Granted these guidelines below don't protect young deer, they provide a greater survival rate of yearling bucks as opposed to our state laws.

The state of MS and their harvest guidelines statewide are better than AL. They start in the Hill and Southeast zone with min. 10" spead and 13"main beam length. The delta zone has a min. 12" spread and 15" beam length.

Georgia for example has a two buck limit where each buck is required to have a minimal 4 points on one side at least 1" or longer.


That is incorrect about GA...except for QDM counties, GA has a two buck limit, with only one having to be 4 points on one side, one inch or longer. The other buck can be of any size.


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Originally Posted By: booner
Age is more of a factor than the genetics. Alabama does not try to restrict the harvest of yearling bucks like other states. Granted these guidelines below don't protect young deer, they provide a greater survival rate of yearling bucks as opposed to our state laws.

The state of MS and their harvest guidelines statewide are better than AL. They start in the Hill and Southeast zone with min. 10" spead and 13"main beam length. The delta zone has a min. 12" spread and 15" beam length.

Georgia for example has a two buck limit where each buck is required to have a minimal 4 points on one side at least 1" or longer.


That is incorrect about GA...except for QDM counties, GA has a two buck limit, with only one having to be 4 points on one side, one inch or longer. The other buck can be of any size.


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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: 2Dogs] #1395890
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Nothing wrong with Bama genetics, age and soil ours will do just fine.


I second that. You just have to know where to look....

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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: Avengedsevenfold] #1395894
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Ditto what 2Dogs said. Nothing wrong with Alabama's genetics in deer.

Shooting 90- to 110-inch bucks every year and calling them "great" is why they don't grow any bigger.

Age, voluntary trigger restraint and good groceries ... three biggest things.


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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1395905
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1. We shoot bucks too young.
2. Most of our deer were stocked from herds in the Mobile delta area that naturally are small, Florida type deer.

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Is this whole thread a joke?

Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1396055
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This thread is funny. This is not meant to be demeaning or rude to anyone.

#1 reason--> lack of education about management on the part of the hunting public

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Re: Why does Alabama have the worst genetics compared to surrounding states? [Re: tikkaman] #1396063
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if you really want to know about whitetailed deer in alabama you should read this, it explains alot. and there is absoloutely no reason you cant have good deer in alabama. http://www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/DeerBook.pdf

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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
This thread is funny. This is not meant to be demeaning or rude to anyone.

#1 reason--> lack of education about management on the part of the hunting public


Care to educate us?

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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
This thread is funny. This is not meant to be demeaning or rude to anyone.

#1 reason--> lack of education about management on the part of the hunting public


Care to educate us?


That is what books, seminars, workshops and the like are for. I go out nearly on a daily basis and work with landowners and do the exact same thing. When folks come to the realization that they have done what they know to do and need help. There are all kinds of outlets to get quality management advice, all you have to do is ask but we can't just sit down at a keyboard a dump it all out. We don't have the time. The DCNR has very good biologists that will help if you will contact them and ask for assistance. We also have a technical assistance staff that their sole purpose is work with private landowners and assist in wildlife and habitat management.

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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
The DCNR has very good biologists that will help if you will contact them and ask for assistance. We also have a technical assistance staff that their sole purpose is work with private landowners and assist in wildlife and habitat management.


What would consultation like that cost for, say, a 500 acre property?


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