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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 07:43 AM
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Thank goodness he wasn't an American that did it. If it was we would all have to be embarrassed when King O prosecuted him and sent a representative to the dead man's funeral.
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 07:45 AM
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There is a perfectly acceptable time for violence. We are at that point.
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 07:48 AM
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There are many instances in the bible where God commanded an entire group of people to be killed. Men, women and children. Even their livestock. How do you think they were killed? They weren't shot. I've got no problem with it.
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 08:01 AM
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There is a perfectly acceptable time for violence. We are at that point. Much agreed
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 08:07 AM
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There are many instances in the bible where God commanded an entire group of people to be killed. Men, women and children. Even their livestock. How do you think they were killed? They weren't shot. I've got no problem with it. Mans got a point
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 08:34 AM
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There is a perfectly acceptable time for violence. We are at that point. Very well said.
"I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it." Captain Woodrow F. Call
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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There is a perfectly acceptable time for violence. We are at that point. Very well said. I agree 100%
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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There are many instances in the bible where God commanded an entire group of people to be killed. Men, women and children. Even their livestock. How do you think they were killed? They weren't shot. I've got no problem with it. x1,000,000
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 08:48 AM
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Thank goodness he wasn't an American that did it. If it was we would all have to be embarrassed when King O prosecuted him and sent a representative to the dead man's funeral. Sad but true u are 100% correct...
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 09:39 AM
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There are many instances in the bible where God commanded an entire group of people to be killed. Men, women and children. Even their livestock. How do you think they were killed? They weren't shot. I've got no problem with it. Before or after he send Jesus to die for us? Again, I would buy that fella a beer right now for making his point, I'm just not sure that's an action that can be Biblicly justified based on JESUS' teaching.I'm also not sure if it's good PR for Christianity.
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 09:59 AM
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Bible makes clear that there is a time for war. And the Syria/Iraq situation is certainly *defensive* war for the Christians there.
But I don't like the beheading thing. Inappropriate imo. Hanging would have been the appropriate penalty - after a public hearing where the ISIS dude is asked if he is really ISIS and if he has waged any war of jihad or killed anyone. After he says yes, then hang 'em. If he says no, then turn him over to Iraqi authorities. It is important to maintain the high ground in war and not commit atrocities or random killings.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Christian beheads Isis fighter in Syria
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05/29/15 10:24 AM
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It is true that the Old Testament is full of warfare and killing at God's direction. But when we look at the accounts closer it was God commanding His chosen people, Israel, to fight the wars that He commanded for His ultimate purposes. We can see now it was to establish and root deep the Jewish nation so that Christ could one day usher in a new covenant. These were 100% just wars because the Creator God and Author of Everything who is always just so willed it to be done.
In the New Testament we do not see a call to war. Why? Because the time span of recorded history is so short and the NT is focused on Christ...so the message changed with the new covenant of Christ. Not that Truth changed or God changed, but the Gospel message took the stage. Salvation was now offered to all through Christ. Jew and Gentile became one in Christ. We do see that Christ comments that when he returns he will return with the sword. He further comments that there will be battles raging on between nations, but in the end it will be a war of God vs. Satan ultimately---the real Good vs. Evil conflict.
Our part to play in the conflict? Love the Lord and obey him with a heart that is innocent and pure and full of love--yet ready to defend ourselves and the innocent and to fight the good fight with the Truth. If we look at one of the 10 Commandments we will see that a proper translation of the Hebrew says Do Not Murder (do not take life unjustly). It does not read "do not kill" (which means do not take a persons life period). God is just and since we are born in the image of God we are also called to be just. It is a heart issue, bottom line.
There are principles and lessons to be learned through Scripture when it comes to confrontation, battles and wars:
*There is a real war of Good vs. Evil being waged. * We have nothing to fear as believers because Christ has already triumphed. We can rest easy in our hearts. *We are called to love our enemies-not to hate, so that they may see Christ in us. *We are called to live at peace as long as it depends on us--our ways should imitate Christ. *We are called to defend ourselves and others as needed. The "turning the other cheek" passage is often misquoted and misunderstood. *We are called to seek not only justice, but also mercy *God establishes nations and governments and we are to submit to that authority. Yet not unjust or immoral dictates. Nations have the ability to declare war, sometimes in the right and sometimes unjustly or for immoral reasons thought. *Jesus never did condemn a just war nor being a just soldier. But through his teaching and the fulness of Scripture we can follow that there is such a thing as a Just war: When a nation is justly defending itself or the innocent against an unjust or immoral adversary or aggressive nation. There is likewise a just person/citizen soldier who does his duty in a way that is honorable. *Some of the disciples carried swords when they were with Jesus and Jesus did not condemn them or say they were wrong. Yet he further described that the Sword of the Spirit was more than enough for defense...reliance of the sword misses the point. *The heart is the issue when at war: Justice against an enemy but tempered with appropriate mercy...Holding fast to Truth, Honor, Goodness even in battle.
We have a terrorist false-religion organized enemy at hand fighting a brutal war on unjust grounds and in immoral ways. The fight against ISIS is a just cause. If there is a beheading of an ISIS member fighting for the unjust side during battle...so be it. However, once a prisoner then to me things change. Beheading a captive to prove a point is not promoting justice, honor or truth...just blood thirst.
Last edited by straycat; 05/29/15 11:03 AM. Reason: edit to last sentences not copied over correctly
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
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