Back to topic. Ralph, you don't know me but thanks for for your attempts to dethrone Ray. I was a member before you. I know of several former members watching this thread but none want to post. Too many bad memories. Ray has managed the club for about 14 years I'm guessing. He has been able to recruit members every year because the property sells itself. It is one of the best properties in the black belt. However, I assure everyone if you join you will be extremely disappointed. The club is grossly miss-managed and if you know how to hunt you will be made to feel unwelcome. There is a reason at least half the members leave every year. Ray really screwed up with the Salter thing. Some former members are grouping together and plan to talk to Atkins about taking over the lease. Every former member that was asked if they would join is interested with the stipulation that none of the Pattersons be allowed in the club. I think Atkins will be reluctant to cut Ray out because he doesn't know what goes on. I like how Ray tried to make you out as crazy. Ray should tell the story of how he and a guy brought a spine shot buck to the cleaning station while it was still alive. Ray might come back and tell the story. He thinks it's funny. Better yet get his son Cameron to post videos he took of a buck that took a while to die. When asked why he didn't put the buck down Cameron claimed he was out of ammunition. His uncle was even disgusted by the video.