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AL DCNR Survey #1336226
04/24/15 03:47 AM
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Back on the line
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Here comes the limit reduction. This survey is just the beginning for making the argument that turkey populations are down and the limit is too high popcorn

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336227
04/24/15 03:49 AM
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If you only knew.....
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If you only knew.....
Yup... I got it an email this morning...


Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...

Confucius
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336232
04/24/15 03:54 AM
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No matter what they put the limit at people will still break the law. Still jus boils down to honor and ethics, I use to think turkey hunters were a group that had the most of these two traits that has seemed to change.

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336235
04/24/15 03:56 AM
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What I see in the statistics is showing 10% of the birds reported are in our turkey contest...



Last edited by arKic; 04/24/15 04:06 AM.
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Tru-Talker] #1336238
04/24/15 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Yup... I got it an email this morning...


Me too.


"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."

-- Archibald Rutledge
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336247
04/24/15 04:09 AM
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I have been filling it out all year, but can't put in any harvest. My computer will not show the last couple of categories on the screen.


To God Be The Glory!
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336248
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I have been filling it out all year, but can't put in any harvest. My computer will not show the last couple of categories on the screen.


To God Be The Glory!
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336258
04/24/15 04:25 AM
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These statistic are from the turkey's reported on the game check system... Granted, this is not a requirement so I know the number is skewed, but I guarantee it will have a direct reflection to determining bag limits.

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336265
04/24/15 04:37 AM
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I just completed the survey. I'm interested in hearing everyone's responses. I haven't been turkey hunting for 10 years so I don't know if things are better or worse.

I know on our property there are more turkeys than when we bought it five years ago. I've really tried hard to improve the holding capacity for turkeys. I really don't know if there are more than there were five years ago or if we've just drawn them in.

This is south Cullman co. where there aren't a lot of turkeys to start with.


"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336290
04/24/15 05:02 AM
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Kyle, Send some of your across the river, I need some.


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Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336322
04/24/15 05:46 AM
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Covington County
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I got mine as well. Filled it out with some additional comments at the end. The state needs to address a lot more issues before adjusting a unenforceable bag limit. It's the least of the issues in my opinion.


"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life.
Comes to us at midnight very clean.
It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands.
It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: arKic] #1336352
04/24/15 06:20 AM
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Sylacauga, AL
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Originally Posted By: arKic
These statistic are from the turkey's reported on the game check system... Granted, this is not a requirement so I know the number is skewed, but I guarantee it will have a direct reflection to determining bag limits.


You may will be right; our generous limit is not politically correct with the women that run the nwtf, and I think they are putting pressure on our state people.

But of course, the voluntary game check system is less than worthless from a scientific view of measuring the harvest. The hunter survey, which is science-based, has shown no decline in harvest numbers. I'm doubting that science wins on this one, but maybe I'm wrong.

One good sign was that they set this past season to start on the 14th because the 15th was a Sunday. In past years, they have started the season on Monday in this situation. That extra weekend probably killed at least 5000 turkeys. Doesn't seem they would have done that if an immediate cut in the limit was about to happen.


All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336385
04/24/15 06:51 AM
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Got the e-mail today and filled it out. Not sure what good it will do, cause just like with deer hunting, sitings are a poor indicator of populations. They didn't even ask how many turkeys i had harvested, but i told them anyway in the comments section.

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Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336396
04/24/15 07:08 AM
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I filled out the survey as well. I'm also participating in the avid turkey hunter survey. I honestly believe the survey they sent out today is just something to assuage hunter's concern and give them a way to voice any concerns they've had about this season. I go to church with one of the senior biologists at the Dept of Conservation and he tells me they have received numerous calls and emails about this season. I think they understand the weather has been the primary factor this season, but they want to give hunters an outlet. I do not believe and have not heard any indication that this may lead to a change in season dates or limits.

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336408
04/24/15 07:19 AM
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Filled mine out i let them know something has got to be done about coyotes they are reaking havoc on turkeys and especially whitetails .

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336674
04/24/15 01:58 PM
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Predators are the main issue.

Put a little money towards that.

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336688
04/24/15 02:16 PM
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I can tell you folks with very much certainty, since I'm on the turkey committee, that one or two seasons worth of hunter data collection is NOT going to result in a reduced bag limit. There are multiple scenarios being looked at including different bag limits and season structures that are all possibilities. It's not very likely any major changes to anything are expected in the very near future. We are conducting large scale radio telemetry and gps studies statewide to help us understand the role hunter mortality plays on a population level. This study will last a decade. So don't get your panties in a wad and start the government conspiracy stuff prematurely.

Keep in mind. Every one on the turkey committee is deeply passionate about what is best for the resource, because we like to smoke turkeys in the face just as much as y'all do. Balancing hunter expectations, satisfaction, and sound biology is not as easy as y'all try to make it.

Last edited by Matt Brock; 04/24/15 02:28 PM.
Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336690
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Also, this years data is not representative of a normal or average year. Turkeys are nuts this season. Gobbling is way down. Observations are way down. Harvest is way down. It is not due to predators. Something that I'm not going to even try to explain has caused a tremendous change in turkey habits and behavior, and we know the data we collect is not going to be what we would see on average.

Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336692
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Thanks for getting us up to speed matt. Please continue to keep us informed. In your opinion why have many hunters experienced a "down" year this year?



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Re: AL DCNR Survey [Re: Solo] #1336705
04/24/15 02:29 PM
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Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
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