257 I'm glad you in the ring now instead of me. Was worn down last week. I've got a serious question that will may get this thread back to more than arguing. Other than weed control, what are some of the benefits of tillage, and why do most of the big commercial farmers continue to till. I'm sure cost is one barrier but I see farmers spend hundreds of thousands on huge, new planters and continue to till. Why don't all farmers simply spray and drill?