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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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03/06/15 05:19 AM
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Goodman, can I get you to whisper to my Cur dogs? I will tell you what I want them to do different!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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03/06/15 05:23 AM
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A dogs genetics are important no matter what breed. #2 They should understand how a dog should be cared for. What the animal requires and make sure he gets those needs met. Just like with anything that has potential danger, there is no place for recklessness or carelessness. So to play "devils advocate".... 1. Looking at the overall picture of ALL putbulls, what percentage do you think. a. Has good genetics. b. Was aquired from a reputable breeder. c. Has owners that understand how the dog should be cared for and has his needs met.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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03/06/15 05:46 AM
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theres no way to know at this point, because most people dosnt have these discussions. We cant police our own, because were caught up in a pro or anti debate. Once we move past this we can focus on the actual problem. I use we and us, meaning society. But dog owners in general usually dont know much about dogs. For instance, I had a hound/jack russel terrier mix. Super stubbern dog. When guests would come over, the dog would bark and bark. My wife would take the easy route and put the dog in the bedroom or let him out. This causes a dog to become aggressive and territorial. I didnt mind at the time because I had him for a guard dog. Now with my pit or any large dog, thats the last thing you wanna do. Some people see no danger in any large dog, some see no danger in any large dog except pits. As soon as we can turn our attention towards making sure people understand all the risks and the proper way to prevent them, the better we will be as a whole.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
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03/06/15 05:46 AM
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I would imagine that's pretty close. I'm trying to get him to understand that 99% of pitbulls don't meet the criteria he stated. Overall it's a dangerous breed of dog. There are some that won't hurt a fly and there are others that will rip you to pieces for looking at it. The problem is that ALL of them are capable of the latter, and the majority of them will do it if they take a notion.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: BC]
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03/06/15 05:50 AM
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He won't "get it" until it rips away at his flesh or a flesh of an innocent animal/person. And even then it will be the grandma's fault for screaming. You are wasting time BC. I would imagine that's pretty close. I'm trying to get him to understand that 99% of pitbulls don't meet the criteria he stated. Overall it's a dangerous breed of dog. There are some that won't hurt a fly and there are others that will rip you to pieces for looking at it. The problem is that ALL of them are capable of the latter, and the majority of them will do it if they take a notion.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
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03/06/15 05:57 AM
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He won't "get it" until it rips away at his flesh or a flesh of an innocent animal/person. And even then it will be the grandma's fault for screaming. You are wasting time BC. I would imagine that's pretty close. I'm trying to get him to understand that 99% of pitbulls don't meet the criteria he stated. Overall it's a dangerous breed of dog. There are some that won't hurt a fly and there are others that will rip you to pieces for looking at it. The problem is that ALL of them are capable of the latter, and the majority of them will do it if they take a notion. You are right of course. Good luck ywith your pit Goodman.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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03/06/15 06:05 AM
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my turn to ask a question. How come the michael vick rescued dogs that were bred for fighting, raised for fighting. Are now capable of living normal lives, without incidence, when giving to people who know how to care for them properly?
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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03/06/15 06:22 AM
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my turn to ask a question. How come the michael vick rescued dogs that were bred for fighting, raised for fighting. Are now capable of living normal lives, without incidence, when giving to people who know how to care for them properly? They are just as capable of killing. If I ever owned one, it dang sure wouldn't be a fighting rescue.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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03/06/15 06:30 AM
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my turn to ask a question. How come the michael vick rescued dogs that were bred for fighting, raised for fighting. Are now capable of living normal lives, without incidence, when giving to people who know how to care for them properly? How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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03/06/15 07:04 AM
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well the owners who adopted them havent gone missing from being ate. poodle yes its diffrent, although poodels are aggressive, Lab, no, If a full grown lab attacks, and they have. Your in just as much trouble as you would be with a pit. They are strong and capable dogs.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
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03/06/15 07:07 AM
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well the owners who adopted them havent gone missing from being ate. poodle yes its diffrent, although poodels are aggressive, Lab, no, If a full grown lab attacks, and they have. Your in just as much trouble as you would be with a pit. They are strong and capable dogs. Not yet. Just wait, they are bombs waiting to be set off. Too many have already gone off for me to think anything else.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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03/06/15 03:44 PM
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
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03/06/15 03:59 PM
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!! And if you consider the fact that pitbull-type dogs represent a minority of all total dogs, but yet represent the lions share of fatal bites, that points you to why people have the distaste they do for these animals.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: JTapia]
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03/06/15 04:00 PM
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!! According to the site from which you draw your stats Pits make up only 6% of the US dog population yet they are responsible for 64% of dog bite fatalities. It's not about numbers of deaths, it's about percentages. Of coarse there are more deaths by nearly every other means when compared to dog bites. There are certainly more deaths from automobile crashes. However, if there were one automobile that made up only 6% of US ownership yet it was responsible for 64% of all auto fatalities we wouldn't pretend there wasn't a problem with that vehicle, and it would be ridiculous to argue that everyone was simply mistaken about the make and model of that automobile.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: M48scout]
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!! And if you consider the fact that pitbull-type dogs represent a minority of all total dogs, but yet represent the lions share of fatal bites, that points you to why people have the distaste they do for these animals. That can not be factually proven. With so many different breeds and "types" along with Mixed breeds attributed as being "Pits", I would say that the Pit Bull and all of its' "Types" are the MOST populous dogs in the US. The Stats I listed are verifiable and produced by the anti Pit Bull groups and the CDC.
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