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Re: is it true? [Re: MorningAir] #1253329
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Originally Posted By: MorningAir
I don't think there is, or ever will be a defined rut in Alabama. I've hunted places where it was '' hot '' during certain weeks every year, but I've killed and seen buck chasing does hard from the end of October through the first week of May in a lot of different counties.


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Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1253362
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Tags. Only way state will ever have inkling of harvest numbers. I'm okay with 3 does and one buck a season but I know I'm in minority. Heck I'm okay with 1 doe and one buck. I think kentucky does 3 and 1 and you can buy extra doe tags. Tags better than days to me. Kill em when you want. Tag out and you're done.


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Re: is it true? [Re: MorningAir] #1253429
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Originally Posted By: MorningAir
I don't think killing a deer to do a fetal study is very smart? Couldn't they keep a camera's out and get the data? Hell, I saw 2 tiny spotted fawns on April 19th last year, and another covered in spots the week after Christmas last year. I don't think there is, or ever will be a defined rut in Alabama. I've hunted places where it was '' hot '' during certain weeks every year, but I've killed and seen buck chasing does hard from the end of October through the first week of May in a lot of different counties.


Don't ya'll realize the whole state isn't like your area. Yes there is a defined rut in Alabama, at least in my part. Our prime breeding is right around the first of January, year in year out. I killed two full grown bucks this year, one on Dec 30 the other on Jan 6, both had their nose to a does tail. I've been killing love sick bucks during that time frame for about 40 years.



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Re: is it true? [Re: MorningAir] #1253517
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Originally Posted By: MorningAir
I don't think killing a deer to do a fetal study is very smart? Couldn't they keep a camera's out and get the data? Hell, I saw 2 tiny spotted fawns on April 19th last year, and another covered in spots the week after Christmas last year. I don't think there is, or ever will be a defined rut in Alabama. I've hunted places where it was '' hot '' during certain weeks every year, but I've killed and seen buck chasing does hard from the end of October through the first week of May in a lot of different counties.


You folks should try managing for the "benefit" of everyone... kinda tough. We shoot them so we have documented proof of what other HUNTERS are seeing so there is justification to make changes for what HUNTERS ask for. Seasons and bag limit changes aren't done for the biologists, they are done "for" the game animal and hunter.

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Re: is it true? [Re: NightHunter] #1253525
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: MorningAir
I don't think killing a deer to do a fetal study is very smart? Couldn't they keep a camera's out and get the data? Hell, I saw 2 tiny spotted fawns on April 19th last year, and another covered in spots the week after Christmas last year. I don't think there is, or ever will be a defined rut in Alabama. I've hunted places where it was '' hot '' during certain weeks every year, but I've killed and seen buck chasing does hard from the end of October through the first week of May in a lot of different counties.


Seasons and bag limit changes aren't done for the biologists, they are done "for" the game animal and hunter.


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Re: is it true? [Re: NightHunter] #1253552
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: MorningAir
I don't think killing a deer to do a fetal study is very smart? Couldn't they keep a camera's out and get the data? Hell, I saw 2 tiny spotted fawns on April 19th last year, and another covered in spots the week after Christmas last year. I don't think there is, or ever will be a defined rut in Alabama. I've hunted places where it was '' hot '' during certain weeks every year, but I've killed and seen buck chasing does hard from the end of October through the first week of May in a lot of different counties.


You folks should try managing for the "benefit" of everyone... kinda tough. We shoot them so we have documented proof of what other HUNTERS are seeing so there is justification to make changes for what HUNTERS ask for. Seasons and bag limit changes aren't done for the biologists, they are done "for" the game animal and hunter.


Thank you for what you guys are doing by simply listening to the general public. Do you think doe days are even on the radar for particular counties?


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Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1253572
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Right now IMO no. Not enough data behind it. Things can change quickly though, especially with enough public/political support.

On WMA'S, I think you will continue to see changes. IMO, improvements but they are left up to each area biologist, so I don't know what all they might be just yet.

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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Right now IMO no. Not enough data behind it. Things can change quickly though, especially with enough public/political support.

On WMA'S, I think you will continue to see changes. IMO, improvements but they are left up to each area biologist, so I don't know what all they might be just yet.


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Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1254173
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eufala deer are diffrent species than your average southern buck.. But your right folks gonna complain they cant hunt the rut if you gave them 365. Were im at though, it starts about 2 weeks before the end of jan. So usually its just getting good when season goes out. They did a good thing, even though it took decades to get them to extend it.

Nighthunter

The bad thing about "doe days" you can bet I'll have to work, weather won't be right, and umpteen other reasons limited days are not a good idea. The idea is to limit the # of deer taken in a specific area. TAGS. is the way to go. I think 3 bucks is a good #. I really dont like the fact that the "privledged" be able to shoot more deer than me just because they have more land or better deer density, but on the flip side maybe everyone will go try to hunt the more populated areas and give my poor coffee county deer a rest.


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Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1254251
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I take a little offense to the "privileged" remark. When I was a kid we didn't hardly have any deer. We dog hunted anyway and we always followed the harvest rules. I remember being 14 and letting does go and not killing but maybe 3-5 bucks a year between my whole family of hunters. Any deer we have now on my property is the direct results of how "we" managed the deer herd back then. We took care if it and followed the laws, SO if I have it a little better here than some do elsewhere SO BE IT. Don't think I fell into a wonderful deer population. I certainly wasn't "privileged" with it. My dad will tell you he had to drive to Pickens co when I was born to hunt because there wasn't any deer on our property. Tell him we were "privileged" with a deer herd (or turkey) and you'll get an ear full. Some areas "took" better than others, but you can screw up any area if you don't treat it right.


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Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1254822
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I know how to get everybody what they want. Shut deer season down for 3 years and then you can see more deer and will have older deer that I can garandamtee. smile


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Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1255065
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Im sorry you took offense to it. But what give's one man a right to get a bigger piece of the pie, than me. Because they have more land, deer, money? I didnt shoot ANY deer back in the day. That dont give me special rights now to shoot more bucks than you now. Pie crumbs aint gonna satisfy you, so why am I supposed to eat em and be happy?


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Re: is it true? [Re: Deerslyer86] #1255157
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Everyone always wants the "good ole days" to return. Certainly it is nice to see deer & lots of deer. I remember the days of 20-30 does in the field. I also remember the "management". Most shot legal bucks (antler above the hairline). I can remember folks shaving back the hair to make the horn visible. Not a lot of legal deer were allowed to walk. The strict clubs required deer to have a forked horn.

I also remember the doe days of the late 80's. At daylight it was a war zone. Me & my buddies ran man drives on every piece of property we could access. Shot every deer we could. It was a bloodbath!! I also remember the timing being when kids were out of school for the holidays (right during the rut here).

Can remember deer drives when the Walker dogs were as big as the does. Also remember years when deer died off in early spring.

By my recollection it is not an era I would like to see repeated.

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Re: is it true? [Re: goodman_hunter] #1255175
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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
But what give's one man a right to get a bigger piece of the pie, than me. Because they have more land, deer, money?


That's generally how a capitalist society works.

I have no problem with a man with 1000 acres to hunt being allowed to kill more deer than a man with 50 acres.


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I like how TN has does their tag system etc. seems pretty sound.


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Re: is it true? [Re: hunterbuck] #1255193
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
But what give's one man a right to get a bigger piece of the pie, than me. Because they have more land, deer, money?


That's generally how a capitalist society works.

I have no problem with a man with 1000 acres to hunt being allowed to kill more deer than a man with 50 acres.


So poor people dont have the right to kill as many deer as the rich man. Wealthy folks should have more rights than the non wealthy.


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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter

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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
But what give's one man a right to get a bigger piece of the pie, than me. Because they have more land, deer, money?


That's generally how a capitalist society works.

I have no problem with a man with 1000 acres to hunt being allowed to kill more deer than a man with 50 acres.


So poor people dont have the right to kill as many deer as the rich man. Wealthy folks should have more rights than the non wealthy.


I'm of the opinion that it should have been left like it was last year, with 2 a day...thus allowing everyone to manage their own property as they see fit. I was just addressing your comments that everyone should be limited to the same number of deer killed with a tag system.


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i was fine with things the way they were, but seems like more people want more restrictions. if we're gonna have more restrictions, then i'd like it to actually help ME. i'd be helped (in my situation) by limiting people with more land and more deer less than people with a little land and less deer.
just sayin


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With so many people complaining about the doe days liberal as they are I wonder how many of you are killing does. Personally I only killed one with my bow. Had opportunity to kill a truck load.


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