No!!! I am not at all advocating illegal hunting of any kind!! Bust his a$$!

What I am questioning is if these set up are a good idea considering the risks VS rewards. Birmingham Fred in his own words told us how he had busted a father and then busted the sons at a later date. It seems to me that it had no preventative effect on them at all.

He also told about a high speed chase that could have ended up with an innocent family driving down the road killed. I don't see the risks of kids, officers or innocent bystanders being killed worth the rewards of busting someone who might otherwise without the enticement offered, never take a shot from the road.

Some might say it's just catching someone who would break the law anyway. Let me set up another example which seems similar to me. What if cops set up a bust to catch a thief. Suppose they put a drunk passed out on a park bench. He has an open wallet on the ground beside him with a couple dozen $100 bills falling out in plain sight. Does this situation stop a thief or entice someone to steal which would never break into someone's house or otherwise steal someone's property? The only difference is that the deer on the road bust is more dangerous because both parties have guns and vehicles are involved.

I don't like any of these set ups that entice people to break the law. Catch and punish those breaking the law but don't tempt people to break the law just to create revenue, especially when you are endangering both the public and officers in the process.

idiotic statement...

the road hunters are already shooting off the road at the time and place of their choosing. and they don't care what is behind their chosen target. The danger to the public is already in place. WE use the decoys in an effort to curb that danger, not create more danger....like I said...

When we set up a decoy we chose spots that had a safe background, no houses, or people. WE CHOSE the spot based on a number of criteria that you wouldn't understand. I've never heard of any decoy situation that resulted in collateral damage to people, buildings, etc, or even close to having it happen.

I'm sure you are good at something, but critiquing LEOs ain't one of them because you have no basic understanding of law enforcement or what it takes to be a LEO. Go back o playing with dolls and leave the LEOs to do their job.

how is putting a doe decoy out on land someone dosen't have permission to hunt on "tempting" that person to break the law by shooting it off the road??? Really, yer not that liberal anti game law enforcement are you???

I was always happy to see Tommy Adkins and Steve Lawson set up on our power line. They put a dent in our road hunting problem.

I don't think he's "anti LEO", I think he's anti "I'm the sheit, and all you peasants should watch out for me, cause I'm a bad MoFo", I happen to fall in that same category.

"I'm sure you are good at something, but critiquing LEOs ain't one of them because you have no basic understanding of law enforcement or what it takes to be a LEO. Go back o playing with dolls and leave the LEOs to do their job."

Well, at least you're not cocky!

That's the main problem I have with law enforcement is the attitude that a lot seem to have. It seems to be a prerequisite for the job. You could have been just as cordial as I have been in this discussion but I guess that's impossible for you.

What you don't know is that I actually do have a lot of respect for law enforcement but I'm not going to agree with everything they do or be bullied into silence.

No!!! I am not at all advocating illegal hunting of any kind!! Bust his a$$!

What I am questioning is if these set up are a good idea considering the risks VS rewards. Birmingham Fred in his own words told us how he had busted a father and then busted the sons at a later date. It seems to me that it had no preventative effect on them at all.

He also told about a high speed chase that could have ended up with an innocent family driving down the road killed. I don't see the risks of kids, officers or innocent bystanders being killed worth the rewards of busting someone who might otherwise without the enticement offered, never take a shot from the road.

Some might say it's just catching someone who would break the law anyway. Let me set up another example which seems similar to me. What if cops set up a bust to catch a thief. Suppose they put a drunk passed out on a park bench. He has an open wallet on the ground beside him with a couple dozen $100 bills falling out in plain sight. Does this situation stop a thief or entice someone to steal which would never break into someone's house or otherwise steal someone's property? The only difference is that the deer on the road bust is more dangerous because both parties have guns and vehicles are involved.

I don't like any of these set ups that entice people to break the law. Catch and punish those breaking the law but don't tempt people to break the law just to create revenue, especially when you are endangering both the public and officers in the process. [/quote]

Unreal, I just don't have the words.

if the state can gaining $30.000 form 2 decoys in 4 months and who knows how much money from the new feeding law. i think the state should pay the repair bill to fix my truck from there deer that ran out in front of me

Better said than I have been able to do. Maybe a little spicier than I would put it but spot on. This is the attitude that gets officers and civilians hurt.

Daytime road hunting is one of the hardest violations to catch em in the act. I cannot recall more than one or two times in 26 years I did it. Gotta be a ready to shoot road hunter...seeable deer on the side of road...and a GW hidden close enough to see it all....all at the SAME TIME..in a huge county with two officers. Ain't going to happen.

Now, take a complaint, get signed permission from landowner, and set up decoy in a safe place of MY choosing and set back and wait. I might catch the person that was complained on, might catch his buddy, might catch a first timer. Dosen't matter, even the slightest fear of getting caught will deter most illegal hunters some.

We drove up on some hunters one day in Rattlesnake after we had busted several folks. They had seen our two decoys on a powerline and wouldn't shoot em. Problem was our decoys were in the back of my truck at the time of the sighting. Our enforcement efforts had made those guys scared to shoot off the road and violate the law....the real point of enforcement.

I remember hearing about this when it happened. Truth be known it was more than likely one of the old farts in our club that did it.

Great response! Much better than name calling and getting angry because someone questions your tactics.

So, do you always set up after being called or did you also set up in a high probability area with no complaints?

Apparently not. He already told us that in his entire career he never had to discharge his firearm at a person. Even though ALL of the suspects were armed and committing gun crimes. Andy Taylor wasn't real. Neither was Mayberry. If a real criminal smells fear he'll take advantage of it.

Years ago I was in a dog club in south Perry Co. because they had a huge swamp on the backside of the property that they never run. I had that whole 300 acre swamp to myself. I killed a pile of bucks out of it.

We had a little camp site that people gathered in when they were not on a drive. I pretty much kept to myself and the dog hunters stayed in their group. One day the Perry Co game warden showed up and was talking to the dog hunters. There were maybe 15 in the group. My curiosity got the best of me so I walked over and joined the conversation. He was telling us that on the south border of our land a landowner had a large pasture full of cows. Some deer had been frequenting the pasture and the old man had found a few of his cows with bullet holes in them. He was asking our member to stay off of that road for the next three days because he was going to have a decoy out. Around 1 pm I went back into my swamp for the afternoon. When I got back the club president was there with damn near everyone in the club, which was highly unusual. I asked one of the guys what was going on and he said three different guys from our club had shot that decoy deer that afternoon.

All three were in the group that were told exactly where the decoy would be and what time period it would be there. I mean he told them and three of them went over there and shot it in three separate instances. Talk about stupid!

I guess I should not be surprised out of that bunch. I was sitting in a ladder one time and I heard several shotgun blast and then dogs squealing in pain. Found out later that one of the resident rocket scientist drove up on some deer in a cemetery and when they bolted he dropped the tailgate and turned the dogs on them. He ran down to the next road and when the dogs came out in the road he shot all three of them with buckshot.

Day late and a dollar short aren't cha.

I understand needing to take control of a situation once you're in it. What I question is if the wrong attitude will cause you to take unnecessary risks in the first place.

just what was the "unnecessary" risk, oh expert in law enforcement?????

Oh.... and you goobers should stop with the foolishness before Troy decides to keep his great stories to himself. The courts have ruled that it's not entrapment and Troy is/was obviously a skilled officer of the law and obviously knows what he's doing.

Be realistic. Decoying is the only effective way to catch night hunters. The state does not have the resources to post people on roads looking for night hunters. The bottom line is he and other officers like him were doing us hunters a service by catching these idiots. Most will learn from it, but some will never learn. That's just the way it is.

Do you want me to insult you in every post? Can't you have a civil conversation? Your attitude is showing again.

just state the unnecessary risk....