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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: Talltines]
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12/18/14 11:00 AM
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Matt Brock
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Some of you saying "most" or "40-60%" need a reality check. That is NOT the case anywhere in AL. Heck, it's not even the case in most of the Midwest. Having a bunch of 140+ deer killed in a particular area does not give anyone a glimpse of the actual average score, or percentage of score breakdowns. I can guarantee that there are more mature bucks under 140, than over. Way more. You may be selecting the 140+ bucks to kill, but you're leaving a lot of mature bucks in the population.
I'd say in our area it's probably 5%, maybe less than that. And we are in a good area with good genetics. I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights. I'm not trying to argue, only provide FACTS. Since facts are such a problem around here y'all can have this place. I'm out, the way everybody else that has tried to educate folks has gone. I spend more time on here defending data than having fun. If you want to think you had a place in AL with higher average antler scores than anywhere else in the country then go ahead. That's fine. Everybody on here can believe what they want to now, because I won't be here to argue about it.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:01 AM
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
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12/18/14 11:01 AM
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I'd say in our area it's probably 5%, maybe less than that. And we are in a good area with good genetics.
Dang Matt first Trent and now you with 5% that cuts my chances of killing a 140 in half. I may as well just start killing spikes they are a lot easier to kill and I hear they eat pretty good to.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
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12/18/14 11:17 AM
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Hampton Cove
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I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights. I'm not trying to argue, only provide FACTS. Since facts are such a problem around here y'all can have this place. I'm out, the way everybody else that has tried to educate folks has gone. I spend more time on here defending data than having fun. If you want to think you had a place in AL with higher average antler scores than anywhere else in the country then go ahead. That's fine. Everybody on here can believe what they want to now, because I won't be here to argue about it. Please don't leave...there are plenty of people on here that appreciate your knowledge and experience and research...some people just think they are arguing with their uncle Joe instead of someone that does it for a living.
Last edited by foldemup; 12/18/14 11:43 AM.
If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:22 AM
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Holly Pond, AL
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If anyone on here produces multiple 140 class 4 year olds annually you are doing something nobody else is. I mean at least 30% of your 4 year olds making 140. I'll go further and say prove it...
Give info on your herd dynamics and then number of 140's. If you can't provide herd dynamics your boat is already sunk.
Last edited by NightHunter; 12/18/14 11:25 AM. Reason: Decreased %
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:23 AM
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I hunt in Henry County. In 15 years of running trail cameras, I have caught one buck that went over 140. I was fortunate enough to take him last year. I've seen three during that time over 120. A very rare animal that makes it to 140 in Henry County.
ROLL TIDE!!!
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: Talltines]
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12/18/14 11:25 AM
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Some of you saying "most" or "40-60%" need a reality check. That is NOT the case anywhere in AL. Heck, it's not even the case in most of the Midwest. Having a bunch of 140+ deer killed in a particular area does not give anyone a glimpse of the actual average score, or percentage of score breakdowns. I can guarantee that there are more mature bucks under 140, than over. Way more. You may be selecting the 140+ bucks to kill, but you're leaving a lot of mature bucks in the population.
I'd say in our area it's probably 5%, maybe less than that. And we are in a good area with good genetics. I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights. Were you saying 40-60% killed, or average of ALL mature bucks seen while hunting and camera surveys? I would believe 40% killed for you and bamabucks14, but of ALL the mature deer on the property that number would be hard to believe.
Last edited by foldemup; 12/18/14 11:44 AM.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:27 AM
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Zero. A 120" deer is a good deer for the areas I hunt.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:28 AM
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I agree with foldemup 40% of mature deer SOME folks (squeaky  ) are killing might be 140 but that is a far cry from the topic we are discussing. That number is still high IMO
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:29 AM
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Boxes Cove
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I'd say anywhere from 1-5% depending on .......location, location, location. I think if you're getting up around 10% that's truly a special place and would be as good as can be had in the Heart o' Dixie.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 12/18/14 11:34 AM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/18/14 11:32 AM
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I'd say anywhere from 1-5% depending on .......location, location, location. What about YOUR location! 
If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: foldemup]
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12/18/14 11:37 AM
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Boxes Cove
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I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights. I'm not trying to argue, only provide FACTS. Since facts are such a problem around here y'all can have this place. I'm out, the way everybody else that has tried to educate folks has gone. I spend more time on here defending data than having fun. If you want to think you had a place in AL with higher average antler scores than anywhere else in the country then go ahead. That's fine. Everybody on here can believe what they want to now, because I won't be here to argue about it. Please don't leave...there are plenty of people on here that appriciate your knowledge and experience and research...some people just think they are arguing with their uncle Joe instead of someone that does it for a living. I agree and concur, foldemup.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:42 AM
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At my place, 110 for 4.5+, maybe 110
Probably less than 1%
Last edited by AlabamaSwamper; 12/18/14 11:42 AM.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:43 AM
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I've hunted Mobile County for the past 25 years, as well as some stints in Lowndes, Baldwin, and Washington.
I have laid my eyes upon 2, in the flesh.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
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12/18/14 11:45 AM
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O% in my neck of the woods
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: foldemup]
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12/18/14 11:46 AM
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I'd say anywhere from 1-5% depending on .......location, location, location. What about YOUR location! .5%, the other .5% is on the neighbors property in daylight. 
Last edited by 2Dogs; 12/18/14 11:56 AM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: mike35549]
#1191707
12/18/14 11:48 AM
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Semmes, AL
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I do not know Matt or anyone that does for that matter. Google says he has a degree in wildlife biology. That means he has the book sense. Google also says he has been a biologist at a WMA since 2011. That means he has, at a minimum, 3 years field experience.
I'll take his word on what the science and data says about the herd.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: foldemup]
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12/18/14 12:01 PM
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Some of you saying "most" or "40-60%" need a reality check. That is NOT the case anywhere in AL. Heck, it's not even the case in most of the Midwest. Having a bunch of 140+ deer killed in a particular area does not give anyone a glimpse of the actual average score, or percentage of score breakdowns. I can guarantee that there are more mature bucks under 140, than over. Way more. You may be selecting the 140+ bucks to kill, but you're leaving a lot of mature bucks in the population.
I'd say in our area it's probably 5%, maybe less than that. And we are in a good area with good genetics. I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights. Were you saying 40-60% killed, or average of ALL mature bucks seen while hunting and camera surveys? I would believe 40% killed for you and bamabucks14, but of ALL the mature deer on the property that number would be hard to believe. It wouldn't be hard to believe, it would be impossible unless it was a enclosure full of breeder bucks. You can't convince some people that they don't have the one place in the world where genetics defies years of scientific data. Matt, I wouldn't worry too much about the detractors. There will always be those that will argue even when faced with superior logic.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles"
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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more.
[Re: HippieKiller]
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12/18/14 12:02 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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I do not know Matt or anyone that does for that matter. Google says he has a degree in wildlife biology. That means he has the book sense. Google also says he has been a biologist at a WMA since 2011. That means he has, at a minimum, 3 years field experience.
I'll take his word on what the science and data says about the herd. I know him enough to also know he has a lifetime of "woods" experience, he's a very accomplished deer hunter and student of the animal.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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