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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: daniel white] #1161829
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Originally Posted By: daniel white

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and to think, I thought shooters was the only person who didn't like dogs on his property laugh


Big difference in Feral dogs and someone's pet with a collar.


Not starting this whole subject again... but where did the OP say these were positively ID'd as feral? I have managed several HIGH END properties that had groups of sub-division/neighborhood dogs that packed up and roamed and killed various types of animals from game animals to livestock. Domestic dogs have a whole different demeanor and pack type mentality than wild canines. They have a completely different social structure. Both feral and neighborhood dogs cause problems.

Collared pets are different, I agree but the owner has sole responsibility to keep their pet on their own property. The same one comes by enough, I take it home and ensure the owner understands that is last time I bring it home.

Plenty of shelters around...


I was referring to Fur's post, guess I should have made that more clearer. I guess thats why me and my family owns our little farm so I can keep my dogs loose and stay on our property.


My bad... We are the same way. Then again, we have heelers and they very rarely leave our side unless rounding up the herd.

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1161858
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As hard as I have worked on my property and the few deer we do see.. I'll give a collared or non collared dog one pass. i'll talk to those that live close. After that they will be shot on sight.


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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1161871
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Very few people in Alabama own a large enough piece of land that a dog will not cross on to other peoples property when out roaming. If you have a dog and care enough for it that you don't want it shot, you need to put up a fence, build a kennel or tie it up. When you see a dog day after day you know it did not escape it's pen. People don't like other peoples dogs causing havoc on there property killing there animals getting in the garbage growling at them etc etc. This is a easily fixed situation. The only question is who fixes it the owner of the dog with a fence or someone else with a gun. Keep them up or don't get upset when fido don't come home.


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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: Frankie] #1161925
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Originally Posted By: Frankie
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One of our neighbors took dogs in from the pound and let them roam. He had 13 at one time. All big dogs. They started pack hunting and I told him about it. He didn't put them up. I found 8 of them circling one of ours cows that was calving once. His dogs came up missing.


that would get a dog killed in a heart beat when we had cows .


It does here, cause we still have them. This year my dad called me and told me that he found a newborn calf with its tail eaten off. All of it's tail. I figure the calf was breach and the dogs/yotes ate the tail before it was born, but that's just a guess. It could have been coyotes, BUT the same neighbor has a newer crop of dogs. The calf lived 2 days and died. I've seen those new dogs on our place many, many times over the past 2 years but I've given them a pass since I hadn't seen them trying to harm any of our cattle. Two days later the neighbors down the road drove up on a few dogs eating a 200lb calf in his pasture. They killed them all, and I would have done it too. I mean, I've gone and talked to the guy that hoards dogs but he apparently is too thick headed to get the message. I wouldn't shoot a dog for messing up a deer hunt like some on here say they would, but I will kill every one of them that bothers our cows.



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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1161927
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Most folks hunt with a club or on leased land. I would guess there are very few hunters that live where they hunt. The owners of these dogs do live there. They can inform you of trespassers, night hunters & when they see bigger deer. Shoot their pet & the relationship goes south in a hurry. The bang flop solution is a cowards way out. Confront the owners or quit bitching about it.

I have always considered myself a responsible pet owner but this weekend I had a dog loose without a collar for almost 24 hours.

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1161941
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Originally Posted By: truedouble
We had a 212 pound 9 point killed by a pack of 3 or 4 domestic dogs Friday night. They apparently got a hold of his hind quarters and never let go. Our neighbor heard the dogs, went over to our place and found the buck being eaten alive by the dogs. He finished off the buck and dogs took off. At least the deer was found and put out of his miserty, but I was really suprised that dogs could take down a mature buck, that appeared 100% healthy other than the chewed up hind quarters and the one bullet hole from my neighbor's gun shot.


We've had problems with feral dogs and "pets" that run loose and pack up over the years. I truly believe that dogs, when they start pack hunting, are worse than coyotes. I've seen them in action and I would rather have been surrounded by coyotes. When dogs get to that point they little or no fear of humans either.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1161957
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1983, and I was hunting just out of Moundville on a 4000ac place. I had killed a nice buck, then saw a monster in the corn fields. Went back the next day to kill him, took my two daughters, 3 and 5 . I held their hands as we walked down the field road than went along the corn, thick swamp to our right. I had my 25/06 upside down on my left shoulder, sleeping bag over my shoulders to wrap the girls in.

Youngest said "there's a dog", medium black cur. I didn't want to shoot it in front of the girls so I made no move for my rifle. Suddenly the dog growled at us and came barrelling from 30 yards out. A second dog joined from behind the first, both charging in. I let go of the girls...slung the sleeping bag..rolled the rifle up and killed the first dog at 15 yards. Second dog sidestepped and was killed at 10 yards. A third dog had joined and now turned. I gut shot it, then finished it with my last in-rifle load.

DAMN, that was fast. 3 year old is bawling, I'm trying to calm her....and 5 year old calmly says "here come another one"......

I turn and a larger yote looking dog is coming in..FAST and low. I have extra shells in my bluejeans, UNDER my camo pants. I can't seem to get to them....I pull the girls to me and kick the dog as it makes a grab at the 3 year old. He rolls away, growling. I slam him with the rifle..HARD...and he spins away. My fingers touch the extra shell in my pocket. I think the dog reads my face and bolts away....across the cut corn. ERROR....75 yards going straight away and I peel him from back to front along the spine with that 25/06.

The dog spins and yelps, flopping around. I have one shell left. I ain't wasting it on his ass...we have 1/2 mile to go to the truck. The 5 year old says "if I'd had my 22 it would of been a shootout"...and the 3 year old is scared to go into the woods for years afterward.

The lesson here is what would of happened if your wife had taken your daughters for a walk at the hunting club while you hunted elsewhere on the property...and ran into those dogs?????


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1161981
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I agree with most all of this thread. The best thing to do is just SSS, when it involves hunting dogs, will save a lot of tempers from flaring. BUT when it involves my living or especially my family, oh yea they gone. I'll kill the piss out of em. I have always believed once a dog chews on or kills livestock you can't ever break him. I killed one of oldest daughters dog, he chewed up a newborn calves ears, then two days later almost killed a calf. Soooo I had to send him on to see baby Jesus. A lot of people drop off strays and mangey mutts on our dirt road, so they get aggravating, turn wild, then they get a trip to the sky.


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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162003
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Troy, I always, always have my 30-06 with me when I'm on the farm. A few years ago we had a really wet fall. There's a low area in our largest hay field that we didn't cut on the last cutting of hay because it was too wet. That was the year that I had killed 8 coyotes during the daytime in that same hay field.

Sometime around Christmas I had taken a deer carcass over to that field and put it in the wide open field 100 yards from the woodline, along a fence, and put a camera on it to see if I had wiped out the yotes. The carcass had been out for a few days and something had drug it about 10 yards, so after I finished Sunday lunch at Mommas, I drove over in my truck to check the camera. I left 4 sets of pasture gates open on my way over because I was only gonna be a few minutes. Remember, I always have my ought6, except that day. I pulled up to about 50 yards from the camera, got out of the truck and stroll over to the camera. When I got about 30 yards from the truck I hear grass break. I look up and here comes 100lbs of dog, wide open and growling. I had nothing to do but run back to the truck. I got in an closed the door about 1/2 second before the dog got to the truck. It was one of those big white fluffy goat protecting dogs. I slammed my truck in drive, passed Mommas house running about 60 and slid into my back yard. I grabbed my ought6 that was propped inside the back door and headed back to the camera site. When I got back the dog came up out of the grass and headed towards the truck, growling. I turned the truck sideways and shot out of the window. The dog didn't make it. I normally have one or both of my kids with me but I sure was glad they weren't there that day. I wouldn't have had time to throw 2 kids in the truck before the dog got there.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: daniel white] #1162042
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Originally Posted By: daniel white
I agree with most all of this thread. The best thing to do is just SSS, when it involves hunting dogs, will save a lot of tempers from flaring. BUT when it involves my living or especially my family, oh yea they gone. I'll kill the piss out of em. I have always believed once a dog chews on or kills livestock you can't ever break him. I killed one of oldest daughters dog, he chewed up a newborn calves ears, then two days later almost killed a calf. Soooo I had to send him on to see baby Jesus. A lot of people drop off strays and mangey mutts on our dirt road, so they get aggravating, turn wild, then they get a trip to the sky.


+1

I don't believe in shooting hunting dogs but I hate folks running them on property that isn't theirs. I'll take them to a shelter every time if it is a repeat offense.

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162130
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Have any of ya'll with cows had any luck with having a few jackasses in the field with the cows to run the dogs off?

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162245
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burrows will keep dogs away. not saying it's fail proof, but it will help.

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162280
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One of my neighbors down here had 5 or 6 in his pasture that would kill any dog or coyote that dared to crawl under the fence.

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: timbercruiser] #1162281
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
Have any of ya'll with cows had any luck with having a few jackasses in the field with the cows to run the dogs off?


We had one a few seasons ago that was meaner than hell. He cost my dad a nice buck after he ran him off while he had him in his crosshairs. But I watched him kick the $#^t out of some strays that got in the pasture on multiple occasions.


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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162297
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Troy , daddy used to walk our fence all the time by his self with nothing . i worried him enough till he started taking his 16ga with when he did check the fence or just out and about .

one day he had to kill two big dogs that tried to attack him .

i never go unarmed when i'm in the woods . like i said in another post you just never know whats out there . stray dogs are a big danger they just don't fear people in most cases .

good shooting btw . hard to get good shot off under pressure .

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162301
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hunting dogs are my friend . they help me kill deer that i would never see . lol

Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: timbercruiser] #1162425
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
Have any of ya'll with cows had any luck with having a few jackasses in the field with the cows to run the dogs off?


They may be fine for hobby farmers, but you couldn't pay me to keep them with cows, and the bad part is, people loose more calves to a unhealthy herd, and not vaccinating than they ever would to dogs or predators..


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Re: domestic dogs killed mature buck [Re: truedouble] #1162427
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Dogs that kill livestock or attack humans are specifically addressed by the law. Anyone has the right to defend themselves & the owner of the dog is liable for damages.

I have hunted all over the state of Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas & Louisiana without encountering a single feral dog. My opinion is most dogs will starve in the wild. Their hunting skills are not sufficient to survive. If the dog is healthy then someone is feeding it.

My problem isn't with putting starving dogs out of their misery or defending self & livestock. My problem is there is always some douche canoe in these threads that is going to kill any dog that "messes up my hunt". That club or individual is asking for trouble.

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the problem with dog lovers is that they can care less about your pets and family. I once had two wolf dogs break away from their owners and attacked my dashound with my young daughter holding the leash. when I whipped them wolfs with my fishing pole the mother and daughter owners got extremley angry with me. little did they know that them wolf dogs were about 3 seconds away from getting filleted with my fishing knife.

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