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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: 2Dogs]
#1072161
09/10/14 06:32 AM
09/10/14 06:32 AM
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Pine Hill, Al
sluggun
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Pine Hill, Al
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When fawns loose their spots they are weaned , eating what any other older deer eats, mamma is fair game. The fawn will be fine. I guess that's why it's against the law to shoot a spotted fawn.  Fawns loose their spots when they put on their winter coat. It has nothing to do with being weaned. If you kill the doe the fawn will usually survive but not be as healthy as he would with his mother. The fawn also runs a greater risk of being killed by predators.
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: sluggun]
#1072173
09/10/14 06:36 AM
09/10/14 06:36 AM
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Posts: 34,784
Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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When fawns loose their spots they are weaned , eating what any other older deer eats, mamma is fair game. The fawn will be fine. I guess that's why it's against the law to shoot a spotted fawn. Fawns loose their spots when they put on their winter coat. It has nothing to do with being weaned. If you kill the doe the fawn will usually survive but not be as healthy as he would with his mother. The fawn also runs a greater risk of being killed by predators. Roughly the same time frame. I've heard for many years from several biologist, the rule of thumb is no spots, weaned and momma is fair game. If ya shoot the fawn , well of course it's dead , if ya don't good chance it will survive just fine. Or am I missing something here?
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: BradB]
#1072185
09/10/14 06:47 AM
09/10/14 06:47 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,999
Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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Dropped the doe instantly and the yearling/fawn whatever did not even move at the shot. I spent the next hour watching that thing try and wake Mama up. It would eat, go nudge her, walk around her, wander off, come back and repeat. I did this several years ago with a doe that had two yearlings. Both were out of spots. Waited for a while watching all of 'em feed. Finally shot the doe. One yearling ran about 20-25 yards, stopped and watched. Then it ran off. The other didn't do anything. Nudged the doe, stood around, went back to eating. Shot the yearling, too, within 10 feet of the doe. They were delicious. It's hunting. Deer are abundant (in almost all areas) and it's legal to take a deer that doesn't have spots. If a yearling without spots is old enough to eat grass and move around, they're fair game and the doe they're with is fair game.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072225
09/10/14 07:26 AM
09/10/14 07:26 AM
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Cleburne
.308
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I personally don't see the difference in shooting a doe & fawn combo or just shooting a doe. Either way you've killed multiple deer. They're just a wood goat, kill them all. The backstrap is about all that's worth eating anyway.
"When you've stared down the barrel of a shotgun in your own home, 3rd & 20 don't seem too bad"......Ken "Snake" Stabler
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072259
09/10/14 07:49 AM
09/10/14 07:49 AM
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Posts: 13,401
Mobile Alabama
TChunter
Booner
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Booner
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Mobile Alabama
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I personally don't see the difference in shooting a doe & fawn combo or just shooting a doe. Either way you've killed multiple deer. They're just a wood goat, kill them all. The backstrap is about all that's worth eating anyway. I just sent you a cyber kick to the testiculars.
On the Eighth day God created flounder.
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: TChunter]
#1072291
09/10/14 08:17 AM
09/10/14 08:17 AM
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Clanton
Turkey_neck
Booner
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Booner
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Clanton
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You don't have to worry this year since we are cut back to one antler less deer a day. Are you kidding me? Did this BS pass through? Yep. Josh won't have to worry though, still no limit on dogs.  Not where i hunt it didnt.  Well now that you admitted you won't follow the regs I foresee mr green geans hanging around your club this year. 
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072301
09/10/14 08:32 AM
09/10/14 08:32 AM
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Matt Brock
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Matt Brock
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When it was legal to kill two antlerless deer per day I would kill both in the blink of an eye. We need to distinguish between fawns with spots(illegal) and fawns without spots. Without spots is no different than any other deer in the woods. It's legal, fair game. They are plenty capable of surviving on their own, and they do. They know to survive without mom at 2.5 months of age if they need to. They don't have feelings or emotions. All they know is this larger deer that has been taking care of me just fell over. Let me see if I can encourage it back up. Oh well, that didn't work. People need to stop prescribing human characteristics to animals.
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: TChunter]
#1072320
09/10/14 08:44 AM
09/10/14 08:44 AM
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Posts: 44,211
North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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North Alabama
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You don't have to worry this year since we are cut back to one antler less deer a day. Are you kidding me? Did this BS pass through? I hope like Hell it did for Marshall County. Damn "brown it's down" hunters have damn near eradicated deer in some parts of the county. The DCNR even said the county was at population levels not seen since the 80s.
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Re: Fawns & Does
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#1072325
09/10/14 08:46 AM
09/10/14 08:46 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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They don't have feelings or emotions. YOU DIRTY HORRIBLE INSENSITIVE PERSON YOU!!! THEY DO HAVE FEEWINGS AND EMOTICONS!!!!
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072345
09/10/14 09:00 AM
09/10/14 09:00 AM
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Posts: 1,074
Glendale, FL
WhiteCityHunter
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Posts: 1,074
Glendale, FL
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When you shoot a doe with a fawn, do you take the fawn too? I never did until I started thinking about what happened to the fawn afterwards. I couldn't bear the thought of a yote eating the fawn alive so I figured out a quick head shot was much less painless than the alternative. Also a head shot is a must to keep from wasting most of the tender meat. What's your opinion? Unfortunately we don't have much of a choice here. Our rut is in February so our does are just now dropping and by the time rifle season comes in they will still be hanging tight to momma and are still very small. I've never seen any impacts to the fawns. I've popped momma many times and seen the orphaned fawns do just fine. I think the only impact to the herd besides one less female deer is that it can impact the distribution of fawn bucks. Momma ain't there to kick him to the curb when the time is right so the fawn buck calls her territory his. So, in effect, you may be keeping bucks on your property by shooting does with fawns, if those fawns are bucks.
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072350
09/10/14 09:03 AM
09/10/14 09:03 AM
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Posts: 595
St. Clair, Alabama
Bucky205
4 point
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Posts: 595
St. Clair, Alabama
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I wont shoot a doe with a fawn. I may shoot one or two does a year for the meat, other than that I let em walk. I started seeing a lot more does and bucks after I started letting the does walk.
"There are no easy days, not even yesterday"
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072540
09/10/14 11:51 AM
09/10/14 11:51 AM
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Posts: 10,436
coffee county
goodman_hunter
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 10,436
coffee county
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There is no glory to be had in shooting deer that just lost spots or mother with a little one. If i was starving, thats diffrent. But that aint the case. I get more enjoyment out of watching them than killing something just to stroke my ego. Now i aint judging folks that do, cause i've done things in this life to not be proud off. I just feel like folks think they need to justify there manhood by "killing a deer" . Like they a killer cause they stomped a baby chicken or something.
For without victory, there is no survival
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072654
09/10/14 02:05 PM
09/10/14 02:05 PM
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Posts: 9,120
USA
marshmud991
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 9,120
USA
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I asked our guys not to shoot does with lil ones with the last year because we had seen lots of spotted fawns during bow season. Well on opening weekend one of our guys had his grandson with him. A doe and twin fawns walk out into the field and he lets the kid shoot the doe,which I had I problem with. What happened next is what cause a little friction. The member shoot the twins. One weighed 17lbs and the other weighed 20lbs. We have a 2 doe limit so he was done. He said he didn't think they would survive on their own so he shot them.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: marshmud991]
#1072661
09/10/14 02:14 PM
09/10/14 02:14 PM
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Posts: 15,986
Brierfield
Beadlescomb
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Posts: 15,986
Brierfield
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I asked our guys not to shoot does with lil ones with the last year because we had seen lots of spotted fawns during bow season. Well on opening weekend one of our guys had his grandson with him. A doe and twin fawns walk out into the field and he lets the kid shoot the doe,which I had I problem with. What happened next is what cause a little friction. The member shoot the twins. One weighed 17lbs and the other weighed 20lbs. We have a 2 doe limit so he was done. He said he didn't think they would survive on their own so he shot them. I'd throw them one the smoker hole. Dang that would be some fine eating.
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072745
09/10/14 03:06 PM
09/10/14 03:06 PM
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Posts: 9,717
Cleburne
.308
OP
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 9,717
Cleburne
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Nothing to do with ego, those little backstraps fit in a hotdog bun just perfect.
"When you've stared down the barrel of a shotgun in your own home, 3rd & 20 don't seem too bad"......Ken "Snake" Stabler
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Re: Fawns & Does
[Re: .308]
#1072764
09/10/14 03:18 PM
09/10/14 03:18 PM
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Matt Brock
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Matt Brock
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I get a kick out folks who call legal hunters ego strokers because they want to kill a legal deer. It has nothing to do with ego, or having to kill a deer to tell people about, run up numbers, etc.
Does anybody get all worked up at a duck hunter who kills a hatch year bird? Heaven forbid it!! Could you see a dove hunt where a moron is sitting on the side of the field screaming at hunters over killing hatch year doves? What about young of the year squirrels? Do they have some special power over a hunter? Is it frowned upon by dog hunters to kill a young squirrel? Rabbit? Y'all are killing me.
It's more about ego when you claim to be above, or better than that. Well 'I' would never kill a young deer, because........ Whatever reason. Is that all about self and ego? Yes it is.
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Re: Fawns & Does
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#1072802
09/10/14 03:33 PM
09/10/14 03:33 PM
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Posts: 1,118
Covington county AL
Zzzfog
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Posts: 1,118
Covington county AL
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I get a kick out folks who call legal hunters ego strokers because they want to kill a legal deer. It has nothing to do with ego, or having to kill a deer to tell people about, run up numbers, etc.
Does anybody get all worked up at a duck hunter who kills a hatch year bird? Heaven forbid it!! Could you see a dove hunt where a moron is sitting on the side of the field screaming at hunters over killing hatch year doves? What about young of the year squirrels? Do they have some special power over a hunter? Is it frowned upon by dog hunters to kill a young squirrel? Rabbit? Y'all are killing me.
It's more about ego when you claim to be above, or better than that. Well 'I' would never kill a young deer, because........ Whatever reason. Is that all about self and ego? Yes it is. Are you trying to equate identifying a "hatch year" dove or duck flying by at 30 mph to identifying a fawn standing still in a food plot next to its mother that's probably more than twice it's size? Apples to oranges if I've ever heard it!
Right and wrong will never change---only people's perception!
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