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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: 49er]
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01/17/14 06:29 AM
01/17/14 06:29 AM
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Alabama Wetumpka
Talltines
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Under our new gun control, you can unload your pistol, lock it in a container out of reach and transport a useless weapon hunk of metal without a permit.
People who swore to support our constitutions (republicans, btw) wrote that crap. Some stupid people we have working for us in the Capital. Or wait its just a way for them to raise money for the Sheriffs association who support there gun control who in turn help them. Has this ever been fought in court if you can open carry than shouldn't you be able to open carry in a car that is your private property. I get there theory behind this but a criminal is still a criminal and wont have the permit. Don't mean to keep asking so many questions but these kinda things just chap my A@@
Hunting Is my Obsession, My Passion, My Everything, Oh so is my wife.
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: Bucktrot]
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01/17/14 07:20 AM
01/17/14 07:20 AM
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Selma
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The sheriff said: "The deceased individual had his in his hand, waving it. The customer actually had one in a holster covered up. We're in the process of checking on permits and all of that. To have a gun conceal, you need a permit. To carry it open carry, you don't. But you have a sign in a place of business, that's letting you know that the people inside that place of business do not want guns in there," the sheriff said.
This concerns me. The part about the business not wanting guns in their store. That sign says open carry. It says nothing about concealed. Are LEO interpreting that sign as all guns? I know there is no legal charge that can be brought against you for having it there unless the store asks you to leave and you do not. This is getting to be a slippery slope. 49er, most LEO I have talked to consider a open carried weapon in a vehicle to be concealed carry. If I remember correctly, when I read the law I came to the same conclusion, but it's been a while.
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: Bucktrot]
#825137
01/17/14 07:24 AM
01/17/14 07:24 AM
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south of hills, north of plain...
RareBreed
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The intent was NEVER armed robbery. Those who say he was robbing the DG and the people in there are waay off base. Supposedly he was upset about something that happened outside and took a gun into the DG for answers. Calling this man a thug would be the equivalent of someone calling your grandfather, who has Alzheimer's a thug when he becomes detached from reality and runs over a family in his car in the Winn Dixie parking lot, thinking the Japs were attacking. He snaps, became detached from reality, and paid the price. No one that knew him is arguing that the shooter didnt do the right thing. What if someone unknowingly slips you extreme amounts of PCP or LSD and you begin to see and hear things that aren't there. Extreme paranoia kicks in. You've always been normal but not in this case. You go to your truck, grab a pistol, strip down to your under wear in the wal mart and are waving the pistol and threatening an alien abduction. You get shot and killed by a hero but you wife, kids, friends, family have to hear forever what a thug you were by folks who blindly comment on the situation. You werent a thug, your mind left reality and thats what happened here. It wasnt premeditated. I'm sure if HE HAD THE CHOICE of being mentally stable or unstable, he would have chosen stable just like he had been his entire life until about 5-6 years ago when he began slipping. If you don't understand mental illness, and none of us do, let's drop the name calling. You can call the shooter a hero all you want because he was and deserves that label.
"I didn’t mean to kill nobody, I just meant to shoot him once in the head and two times in the chest. Him dying was between he and the Lord."
Legendary bluesman R.L. Burnside
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: Frankie]
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01/17/14 08:25 AM
01/17/14 08:25 AM
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coffee county
goodman_hunter
Booner
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so what was wrong with this guy mentally.and why did he still have access to firearmes.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: 49er]
#825205
01/17/14 08:25 AM
01/17/14 08:25 AM
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Gainesville, Florida
Ian
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Talltines, I have a question about this provision. I know we are an open carry state and some cops will hassle you over that. But when you step foot in your car they consider it concealed even if it is in Plain view. So other than getting a pistol permit isn't this law basically contradicting itself now with the Conceal permit. Not arguing just a actual question that I have always wondered. First of all, a pistol carried openly in a vehicle is not considered to be concealed. It is just against the law (see our constitutions, however) to have a pistol in a vehicle without a permit, either openly or concealed... period. The same Alabama Supreme Court case I quoted above ruled that banning both openly and concealed pistols is unconstitutional. (State v Reid) You are right about the law flip-flopping in Alabama. Until the Uniform Firearms Act was passed in Alabama in 1936, it was considered an "evil practice conducive of violence and bloodshed" to carry a pistol concealed. Now the state licenses that evil practice and considers carrying pistols either openly or concealed in a vehicle to be an evil practice. Some now call carrying a pistol openly and evil practice. Jason Tulley has a case pending in the Alabama Court of Criminal appeals for simply carrying his pistol onto the property of another openly. Our constitutions have never flip flopped on the subject. It's those members of our government who vowed to support our constitutions that are the flip floppers. The only reason why it's illegal to have it in a car without a permit is so they can get you on another charge or reason to detain you further.
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: RareBreed]
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01/17/14 08:30 AM
01/17/14 08:30 AM
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Gainesville, Florida
Ian
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The intent was NEVER armed robbery. Those who say he was robbing the DG and the people in there are waay off base. Supposedly he was upset about something that happened outside and took a gun into the DG for answers. Calling this man a thug would be the equivalent of someone calling your grandfather, who has Alzheimer's a thug when he becomes detached from reality and runs over a family in his car in the Winn Dixie parking lot, thinking the Japs were attacking. He snaps, became detached from reality, and paid the price. No one that knew him is arguing that the shooter didnt do the right thing. What if someone unknowingly slips you extreme amounts of PCP or LSD and you begin to see and hear things that aren't there. Extreme paranoia kicks in. You've always been normal but not in this case. You go to your truck, grab a pistol, strip down to your under wear in the wal mart and are waving the pistol and threatening an alien abduction. You get shot and killed by a hero but you wife, kids, friends, family have to hear forever what a thug you were by folks who blindly comment on the situation. You werent a thug, your mind left reality and thats what happened here. It wasnt premeditated. I'm sure if HE HAD THE CHOICE of being mentally stable or unstable, he would have chosen stable just like he had been his entire life until about 5-6 years ago when he began slipping. If you don't understand mental illness, and none of us do, let's drop the name calling. You can call the shooter a hero all you want because he was and deserves that label. I got to this part and stopped. Did you read what you just wrote? He went into a store with a gun looking for answers? So he was in there before and was upset so he thinks the gun will get his answer? Sorry, but some ahole comes in waving his gun around and holds me hostage isn't going to be treated as a hero.. I don't have Stockholm syndrome... Simply put, just on the bold part, he was taking hostages for his answers with a gun.... Say you didn't know a guy and he comes in waving a gun and ordering you into a break room what would you do?
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: Ian]
#825248
01/17/14 08:58 AM
01/17/14 08:58 AM
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south of hills, north of plain...
RareBreed
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The intent was NEVER armed robbery. Those who say he was robbing the DG and the people in there are waay off base. Supposedly he was upset about something that happened outside and took a gun into the DG for answers. Calling this man a thug would be the equivalent of someone calling your grandfather, who has Alzheimer's a thug when he becomes detached from reality and runs over a family in his car in the Winn Dixie parking lot, thinking the Japs were attacking. He snaps, became detached from reality, and paid the price. No one that knew him is arguing that the shooter didnt do the right thing. What if someone unknowingly slips you extreme amounts of PCP or LSD and you begin to see and hear things that aren't there. Extreme paranoia kicks in. You've always been normal but not in this case. You go to your truck, grab a pistol, strip down to your under wear in the wal mart and are waving the pistol and threatening an alien abduction. You get shot and killed by a hero but you wife, kids, friends, family have to hear forever what a thug you were by folks who blindly comment on the situation. You werent a thug, your mind left reality and thats what happened here. It wasnt premeditated. I'm sure if HE HAD THE CHOICE of being mentally stable or unstable, he would have chosen stable just like he had been his entire life until about 5-6 years ago when he began slipping. If you don't understand mental illness, and none of us do, let's drop the name calling. You can call the shooter a hero all you want because he was and deserves that label. I got to this part and stopped. Did you read what you just wrote? He went into a store with a gun looking for answers? So he was in there before and was upset so he thinks the gun will get his answer? Sorry, but some ahole comes in waving his gun around and holds me hostage isn't going to be treated as a hero.. I don't have Stockholm syndrome... Simply put, just on the bold part, he was taking hostages for his answers with a gun.... Say you didn't know a guy and he comes in waving a gun and ordering you into a break room what would you do? Who said he was treated as a hero? The problem you had is you DID quit reading right there. I said he was no thug. I wanted to clear up that he wasn't robbing the store to steal. He was mentally unstable in his head and I have also said the shooter did what he had to do and can't argue with that. It's justifiable homicide and thats clear.
Last edited by RareBreed; 01/17/14 09:05 AM.
"I didn’t mean to kill nobody, I just meant to shoot him once in the head and two times in the chest. Him dying was between he and the Lord."
Legendary bluesman R.L. Burnside
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Re: how it's done in bama
[Re: Ames]
#825281
01/17/14 09:33 AM
01/17/14 09:33 AM
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Alabama Wetumpka
Talltines
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Man, there are some coldhearted folks on here. I didn't know the guy personally but i know his family. Just realize that he had a family that loved him and they will miss him forever. Also, the man who shot him probably is struggling with it also.
I'm sure some of you internet heroes will pipe up and say, "Hell, I wouldn't feel a bit of remorse for killing that sumbitch" and that's well and good but the truth is, noone knows how you feel about killing until you do it. 
Hunting Is my Obsession, My Passion, My Everything, Oh so is my wife.
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