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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #807975
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Shooting at a running deer and shooting at movement (shaking bush) are two different things. If you can't recognize that, you sir have issues. To be honest, it kinda makes me wonder about your judgement.
I get what you are saying about man drives, but shooting at a known target (a deer) without knowing exactly where everyone is, is quite normal. With the landscape and terrain of Alabama, there's very few situations where you have to worry about it. Not saying you shouldn't, ALWAYS, but in this situation it's just not considered unsafe. I think you're going a little overboard with this one.


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #807993
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I've killed a lot of running deer pushing clear cuts and never once didn't know my target.


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #808162
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I do know a few folks that hunt public land that if asked if they saw anything they say I took a few sound shots. When the people ask what they mean they tell em I heard something in the bushes and shot that way kidding of course. But from then on if they see that truck they go the other way. Good way to make sure people don't hunt around you I garuntee


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: Johnal3] #808218
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I set and watch these guys for a good 30 min. they were very smooth & handle there rifles in a safe manor and seemed to watch each person , they were safe in there hunt it would seem, but when they came toward me , I moved this was no clear cut , I was at 450 elev. they were around 350.sorry to stir the pot, I just have to learn the quirks of public land hunts.

Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #808276
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Now you know why alot of people won't hunt public land.


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: N2TRKYS] #808317
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I have asked the GW & friends who hunt W.M.A's and I don't know of any one that's been hurt, around here , some mark there entry to the area, some are just drop off no sigh of where there are, then you have the walking hunter seen 5 of them, then the pushers, its like bee's on honey in there, lot to learn. & get use too.

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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #808322
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Originally Posted By: garyo
you don't drive around the woods , its the same as a truck no motor running just setting. or use a chair out by the edge. and they was a lot of 4 wheelers up there.


Man drives, dog drives and a combination of the two were very common methods of hunting when I was young.

Driving deer had nothing to do with driving vehicles unless you were an outlaw. It means the deer "drivers" were driving deer from their beds and their cover toward other hunters waiting ahead on "stands" (standing in the same spot). Drives may involve using dogs or just using men to drive the deer toward the standers.

Their method of hunting is just as legal as yours unless they are using dogs. Still hunters have managed to eliminate dog hunting in most areas, and in many cases for no good reason. That is shameful.

Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: 49er] #808330
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49 the ones I saw the hunters got drop off and they go walking thru the area, no stand shooters waiting. I guest that's why they call it pushing deer, I don't know, new to me, Ill learn, thanks

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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #808429
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I was taught as a kid to NEVER shoot at a running deer because as an excitable young man you could be shooting towards someone. I taught my son to never shoot at a running deer also. I would have taken his gun from him if he did. Period! I've hunted for over 30 years now and I've never had to shoot at a running deer! period! Yes I've had rutting bucks come by me but there are other means to get him or the doe to stop. A loud sharp whistle will do just that sometimes. But if they keep running well it happens. Hunting like this does not limit the number of deer I've been allowed to take either. I've been blessed and if I added up the number of deer I've taken it would be way up there and I've got a couple trophies on my wall. It's called self discipline and a hunter must have it in order to truly experience deer hunting. It's a blessing from God in my book and that's the way I look at it and it's the way I taught my son to hunt. Shooting at a running deer is way to risky plus you don't really know what you are shooting at...a doe, small buck, big buck or what. Now as far as shooting at moving bushes vs running deer yes it's different but both are grouped into the same pot for me...don't do either!

Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #812798
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I participate in deer drives every season, for 14 years.I have always considered it safe and fun!It gives you a chance to kill a deer that might be nocturnal.

Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #812826
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Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: ikillbux] #812829
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.

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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: ikillbux] #812832
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.

Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.

Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.


If you are worried about pressure and walkers then you should probably not hunt public land. Public land has some good hunters but it also has folks from the bottom of the barrel of humanity. If you want to really meet some nice folks, go hunt National Forest land.


doecommander out...........................



Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: doecommander] #812835
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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: ikillbux] #812870
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.


Inconsiderate,selfish and rude says the guy who doesn't want people to walk and hunt. It's public land bro, if you don't like it then I suggest you hunt PRIVATE land. Guess what, people can squirrel hunt, dove hunt, coyote hunt, hog hunt, duck hunt, etc on public land while you you are sitting in your tree stand.



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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: Southwood7] #812948
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I guess your right , I sure don't have to be part of that cluster flop. oh by the way read about the guy in the shooting house,, sad.

Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: ikillbux] #813324
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Let's be honest, the "safety" argument, while true, is not the primary issue here. Inconsiderate rudeness/selfishness IS the issue. If you want to do man drives, go do it on PRIVATE land where you don't screw up the hunt for other hunters. If I made the effort to walk in with a climber, be careful about the wind, etc, then you and your buddies walk all over the cutover I'm sitting on, you just screwed up my whole hunt. It's over. In fact, that cut's probably screwed up for days now. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is more important than managing pressure / human activity on your hunting land. We can have the argument about hunting styles/preferences if you want to, but the bottom line is me in my treestand isn't hurting the "walkers" whatsoever, but the walkers are ruining my hunt.


So those who chose to hunt different than you on PUBLIC land are being selfish and ruining YOUR hunt? Really?!


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: garyo] #813594
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It's true. Its about SAFETY and RESPECT. Both are lacking on public land hunting in Alabama it looks like. In my opinion anybody who will argue that shooting a running deer is safe worries me to be around. Now if I was doing a deer drive maybe, just maybe, it would be halfway safe if it was experienced hunters only and no young hunters, the drivers had no guns and were pushing deer to someone sitting down only would it even begin to be safe. But then if you do this on public land you have no way of knowing who else is hunting around you. I wouldn't do it out of just plain respect for my fellow human being.

Then for me trying to teach my son to be a safe hunter, respect other people and respect for the sport to be enjoyed when I'm dead and gone someone has the nerve to say I have issues. Issues with what please tell me?

All this makes me worry how much longer this truly amazing sport will be allowed in this country. I love deer hunting, I respect the animal's ability to survive and I respect most people who pursue them and I don't want to loose my freedom of being able to hunt deer.

Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: Southwood7] #814170
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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
[quote=ikillbux]Guess what, people can squirrel hunt, dove hunt, coyote hunt, hog hunt, duck hunt, etc on public land while you you are sitting in your tree stand.



Actually, they can't during scheduled gun hunts on WMAs.


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Re: W.M.A. Deer pushing [Re: dadbud] #814606
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Originally Posted By: dadbud
It's true. Its about SAFETY and RESPECT. Both are lacking on public land hunting in Alabama it looks like. In my opinion anybody who will argue that shooting a running deer is safe worries me to be around. Now if I was doing a deer drive maybe, just maybe, it would be halfway safe if it was experienced hunters only and no young hunters, the drivers had no guns and were pushing deer to someone sitting down only would it even begin to be safe. But then if you do this on public land you have no way of knowing who else is hunting around you. I wouldn't do it out of just plain respect for my fellow human being.

Then for me trying to teach my son to be a safe hunter, respect other people and respect for the sport to be enjoyed when I'm dead and gone someone has the nerve to say I have issues. Issues with what please tell me?

All this makes me worry how much longer this truly amazing sport will be allowed in this country. I love deer hunting, I respect the animal's ability to survive and I respect most people who pursue them and I don't want to loose my freedom of being able to hunt deer.


Don't listen to these people dadbud......Just keep on living in your bubble while the rest of us do insane things such as shooting at the occasional running deer, while standing up!

But you might want to give up hunting all together though b/c I bet the vast majority of folks you are sharing the deer woods with have shot at a running deer and will do so again if the conditions are favorable.


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