You have never seen anything that said i dont hold the bible in high regard. But to prove youre not a liar, show that to me. And im fine talking about it ight here, im not hiding anything. And you might also show me in the bible where knowledge is more important than the spirit, if you believe it is. Then go back to my posts where i quoted actual bible scripture when opinions are asked about a subject and explain why a man would do that if he didnt hold tge bible in high regards. Thats just silly.

There are two things that God left out of the Bible. My opinion and yours!

And nope not address to anyone. Just stating a fact.

You are correct , Sir.

As both a Scottish descendant and a member of the Anglican communion (Church of England by way of the Episcopal Church in America), I want to be partial to James VI and I, as well as the Mother Church, but i still have issues with the KJV lol.

What beef you got with Catholics?

Mark, i apogize if you feel i disrespected you somehow, i didnt mean to. I reckon i got upset because what you said about me just isnt true.

It's always interesting to hear people try to explain God's motivation to other people.

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Well, i reckon i ruined another thread

Nothing to comment on the actual content of your long and well thought out post...

I just wanted to say "Thank You" for using actual paragraphs, using punctuation and capital letters in the appropriate locations.

You can know the scriptures frontwards and backwards and not get to heaven, or you can know very little about the scriptures and go to heaven. Remembering this helps me keep perspective and not think that I'm above anyone because of how much knowledge I think I have.

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Very good point. I know that Jesus died for my sins and that accepting His Grace is the only way to heaven. The rest of The Bible just provides us with the backstory, more or less, and a guide for how we should act, and what is going to happen in the future. I say on here anytime we speak of religion that I like to keep mine simple and not overthink it to the point of questioning it.

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I have struggled the last year or so with exactly what Irish stated in the second post on this thread. How does men decide what letters to put in the New Testament?

Someone made the comment... It's amazing to me at the people who proclaim to believe in an all powerful, all knowing God, that think there are things He couldn't do. I don't understand it...

it's not that people doubt that He COULD do it, it's that people doubt that he ACTUALLY did it. Or was it man? It's not like man has never screwed up God's plan before. So after a bunch of research, diving into the origins of the old and New Testament, the different canons, the books that are in some canons, but left out of what we call the "Holy Bible" , I came up with a conclusion. Faith. We have to have faith that the Holy Bible is the Word of God, inspired by God. Why must we have this faith? Because without it, Christianity falls apart. The Christianity that we believe in ALL stems from the Word of God. Yes the Spirit of God is our helper and He is very important and very much needed, but everything we believe in as disciples of Jesus stems from the Holy Bible. Think about it... what do you believe in that is not backed up by scripture? If you have an experience that makes you believe something that you find out later is contrary to the Holy Bible, you assume that what you felt wasn't real. So if the Holy Bible falls apart, Christianity as we know it falls apart.

This is the hardest thing to get someone to under that doesn't believe in the Holy Bible. It is the biggest hurdle to their salvation.

When we get in front of God, he will say one of two things. "Did you read my book" is not one of them. There are thousands of people in heaven, or paradise right now who never had the benefit of a bible. And pwyse, you are correct, God is God, he can do anything. I believe the bible is the most important book on earth telling the most important story ever told. But Jesus died for "whosoever will", even that guy who cant read or that guy in some muslim country who will never see a bible, he can reach them too. In the dark ages people who never saw a bible got saved. To say a person cant be saved if they dont read the bible is to say theres something God cant do. He gave me life and breath, he can communicate with me if he chooses to, any way he chooses to.

2 Timothy 2:14
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Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

Romans 10:14
ESV
How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

Think about when God told Moses he would kill all of them and raise up a new people. Think about the implications of that. Was God lying to Moses? If he had done what he said he would do, does that mean he lied to Abraham? I believe , if God wanted to, right this second he could say "humans be gone" and every one of us would disappear. He is God. He could wipe the slate clean and start over right now if he wanted to. We would have no say in it. Same way we really dont have any say in these little arguments about what God can and cannot do.

Heres my thoughts on the second scripture you quoted, im not familiar with the first....There was no bible (new testament containing that gospel you have said is necessary for salvation) at that time. Some of it had been written but certainly was not available to everyone. No seminary for preachers to study. The church sent out preachers who were called by God to preach the gospel. And there were people being saved through that preaching. What was the thing bring conviction into their lives? It was the Spirit, right? The same Spirit those preachers was being led by, right? When was the first real bible written and available to the masses? How did all those saved before then manage to get saved without a book to read about Jesus? Pretty sure the Holy Spirit played a really bg role in that. "No man will come to me except the father draws him", what is drawing that man? The Spirit, right? That indwelling Spirit the bible talks about. If a man gets saved, he has that indwelling Spirit, right? Gods Spirit. So, we have the Spirit of God living in us, but we cant hear from God exceptby reading the bible? That just dont sound right. And if you believe im quarreling about words, youre reading me wrong. Im doing my best to stand for what the bible says. Trying to get people to understand theres more to this than a book. More than knowing and believing what a book says. God is bigger than that. And im not saying its not important to read and understand the bible, the bible itself says that is important. I am saying without the Spirit, the bible is jyst words on paper. Nothing having anything to do with God will happen without the Spirit. God is a Spirit. Jesus sent back his Spirit(the comforter) for us. The Spirit is the connection between us and God. "Worship in spirit and truth".

John 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.




John 16:7

But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. John 16:7 (NASB)

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. John 14:26 (NASB)

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness of Me, John 15:26 (NASB)

If God only preserved His word through the Majority Text, then the KJV isn’t God’s word because it was based on the Textus Receptus. The Textus Receptus is NOT the Majority Text… there are many differences between the two. As stated earlier, the Textus Receptus was produced by using 6-7 of the manuscripts - not hundreds of them such as would be necessary for it to be “Majority”.

For those who aren’t really seeing what MPS is claiming, he’s saying that if you use something other than the KJV today, it isn’t the word of God.