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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: hhsdc78]
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03/18/22 09:13 AM
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If they keep lowering the limits, maybe they could do a bonus tag for every (?) number of predators you bring in. Kind of like a bounty system, rewarded with an extra tag or two. That might actually help the population some.
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: JUGHEAD]
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03/18/22 09:27 AM
03/18/22 09:27 AM
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[quote=CNC][quote=Hevishot13][quote=Semo]I remember seeing the data somebody put on here last year. It was a very small number. 2100 is a bunch of turkeys imo. One more bird per 25 square miles. Man I cant wait to see what a drastic difference that is going to make over time!!!! 🙄🙄🙄 He has an agenda, and the message on each thread is the same. He won’t be happy until the limit is 1 or zero. It’s just jealous hunter syndrome in disguise of conservation.
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: Semo]
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03/18/22 09:57 AM
03/18/22 09:57 AM
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[quote=CNC][quote=Hevishot13][quote=Semo]I remember seeing the data somebody put on here last year. It was a very small number. 2100 is a bunch of turkeys imo. One more bird per 25 square miles. Thats a bad thing?
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: HHSyelper]
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03/18/22 10:10 AM
03/18/22 10:10 AM
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If they keep lowering the limits, maybe they could do a bonus tag for every (?) number of predators you bring in. Kind of like a bounty system, rewarded with an extra tag or two. That might actually help the population some. Though I’d like to see the state offer incentives to the real problem but under this regime all we’ll see is increased license and fees for whatever stupidity they come up with Really what should happen is the state should start their experiments in their controlled,managed WMA’s to show us common folks they really know what they’re doing and we can follow suit on private and leased property
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: Hevishot13]
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03/18/22 10:50 AM
03/18/22 10:50 AM
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I think poorcountrypreacher did it and it was something like only 6-8% of all turkey hunters in Alabama killed their 5th turkey each year. I’m sure I’m not correct but it was something like that.
Game check said there were roughly 15,000 birds killed last year and the info Gobbler posted has us at an estimated 60K hunters…….Do the maff on that........If 5% of the hunters killed 5 birds that would be 15K birds......If 4% killed 5 birds that would probably give you your 10% killing 90% Good gracious Game check has 25,000 birds killed. It showed 60,000 turkey hunters. It showed 3.5% of the hunters killed a 5th bird. It showed 61% of the hunters killed one bird (yes that is 36,600 birds - more than they show was killed). If the number of hunters killing a 5th bird is real, that is 2,100 hunters, therefore 2,100 birds saved across the state by going to 4 bird limit....8% saved. Well I couldn’t remember the exact numbers Gobbler, I knew it was something like that. I can’t remember to zip my pants have the time lol I was rolling my eyes at this more than your post! If 5% of the hunters killed 5 birds that would be 15K birds......If 4% killed 5 birds that would probably give you your 10% killing 90%
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: hhsdc78]
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03/18/22 10:59 AM
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Ill say this. Since we don't know how many gobblers are even in the state, nor the turkey population, we have to use fabricated numbers given by the state. If 2100 birds or an 8% reduction in harvest (a bird per 25 square miles!) would be true, someone please explain how this will lead to increased reproduction. One gobbler per 25 square miles is a drop of water in the ocean type of scenario. Yes, one gobbler saved is one more gobbler in the population but everything I have heard is that poult recruitment is THE problem so how does saving a few gobblers increase poult recruitment and the population overall.
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Re: 4 bird limit
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03/18/22 11:07 AM
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If killing a gobbler in the Spring does nothing to the overall population of turkeys, why even have a limit and why does it matter how they are taken?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: BrentM]
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03/18/22 11:08 AM
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I’m not trying to shame anybody for using them because I have done both on more than one occasion……but if fans and gobbler decoys weren’t used we could go back to starting March 15 and have a daily limit of one gobbler a day and I promise you we’d have way more turkeys than we have now. Completely agree with this, i fear there is a rising number of turkey hunters who rely solely on fanning and sitting on fields with decoys. Eliminating that would save a lot more turkeys then eliminating a 5th bird. Most of the people who kill 5 birds kill their 5 and then start taking other people and watch 10-15 die a year. These are also the same people who have a lot of different properties and make sure not to over hunt/ over shoot each property so they continue to have the opportunity for great turkey hunting year after year. If the new public land rules are designed to curb the out of state youtube guys then why not just have those rules in affect for out of state license holders? Why are we all punished?
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Re: 4 bird limit
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03/18/22 11:18 AM
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If killing a gobbler in the Spring does nothing to the overall population of turkeys, why even have a limit and why does it matter how they are taken? Even our Director said "it doesn't matter if the limit is 5 or 50" Limits don't impact reproduction....much. Can you overshoot your gobbler population, yes, on heavily hunted areas but, generally, you are only punishing yourself (think management areas). Could overshooting a gobbler population impact reproduction, I would guess in extreme cases, possibly. My question remains. How does current gobbler harvest impact reproduction, the limiting factor in the "decline" issue? How does going from 6 to 5 to 3 or 1 (where it seems we are heading) help increase poult recruitment?
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Re: 4 bird limit
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03/18/22 11:23 AM
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If killing a gobbler in the Spring does nothing to the overall population of turkeys, why even have a limit and why does it matter how they are taken? Even our Director said "it doesn't matter if the limit is 5 or 50" Limits don't impact reproduction....much. Can you overshoot your gobbler population, yes, on heavily hunted areas but, generally, you are only punishing yourself (think management areas). Could overshooting a gobbler population impact reproduction, I would guess in extreme cases, possibly. My question remains. How does current gobbler harvest impact reproduction, the limiting factor in the "decline" issue? How does going from 6 to 5 to 3 or 1 (where it seems we are heading) help increase poult recruitment? Maybe ole chuck could do a Q&A with Aldeer and answer some of these questions 🤷🏻♂️
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: Ben2]
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03/18/22 11:24 AM
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Turkey 24 7 what agenda do I have?
I spelled it out pretty well. And if you are confused - then heads up - somebody is hacking your account and posting in the turkey forum fairly regular.
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Re: 4 bird limit
[Re: gobbler]
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03/18/22 11:36 AM
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If killing a gobbler in the Spring does nothing to the overall population of turkeys, why even have a limit and why does it matter how they are taken? Even our Director said "it doesn't matter if the limit is 5 or 50" Limits don't impact reproduction....much. Can you overshoot your gobbler population, yes, on heavily hunted areas but, generally, you are only punishing yourself (think management areas). Could overshooting a gobbler population impact reproduction, I would guess in extreme cases, possibly. My question remains. How does current gobbler harvest impact reproduction, the limiting factor in the "decline" issue? How does going from 6 to 5 to 3 or 1 (where it seems we are heading) help increase poult recruitment? That’s been my experience and have been saying it for years. However, when it comes to the actual killing of turkeys, some seem to think it does. They think they don’t, but their language does.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: 4 bird limit
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03/18/22 12:40 PM
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Turkey 24 7 what agenda do I have?
I spelled it out pretty well. And if you are confused - then heads up - somebody is hacking your account and posting in the turkey forum fairly regular. Well I am jealous of no one and I do not want a one bird limit or for people not to be able to shoot turkeys during the spring so you seem to be wrong in each of your two points. I do not have any agenda so that makes you 0 for 3. Now if you would like to make any factual statement about me I would love to read it. Or you could jist keep whining about how the state has wronged you.
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