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High fence? #2739630
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I wonder if they are talking about high fence deer plantations?
“The infection rates among some captive deer can be much higher, with a rate of 79 percent (nearly 4 in 5) reported from at least one captive herd,” the CDC says http://www.wbrc.com/2019/02/16/zombie-deer-disease-has-impacted-wildlife-states/


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Re: High fence? [Re: southbamaone] #2739734
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captive deer=high fence deer


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Not sure, but I would think this refers to breeder pens, where there is a very high concentration of deer.

Re: High fence? [Re: southbamaone] #2740109
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any report that calls CWD deer "zombie deer" should be ignored and thrown in the trash.


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Re: High fence? [Re: southbamaone] #2740119
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Originally Posted by southbamaone
I wonder if they are talking about high fence deer plantations?
“The infection rates among some captive deer can be much higher, with a rate of 79 percent (nearly 4 in 5) reported from at least one captive herd,” the CDC says http://www.wbrc.com/2019/02/16/zombie-deer-disease-has-impacted-wildlife-states/

There deer farms in Alabama that has been there for 33 years So I think you can put the captive deer ideal in the trash just because they are in breed pens don't mean they get cwd think about it 33 years and never a single case of cwd Just because they are in pen don't mean they get cwd

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Originally Posted by hvfs1118
Originally Posted by southbamaone
I wonder if they are talking about high fence deer plantations?
“The infection rates among some captive deer can be much higher, with a rate of 79 percent (nearly 4 in 5) reported from at least one captive herd,” the CDC says http://www.wbrc.com/2019/02/16/zombie-deer-disease-has-impacted-wildlife-states/

There deer farms in Alabama that has been there for 33 years So I think you can put the captive deer ideal in the trash just because they are in breed pens don't mean they get cwd think about it 33 years and never a single case of cwd Just because they are in pen don't mean they get cwd


And just because you juggle chainsaws doesn’t mean you’ll get cut. But it’s not smart because your odds are higher. The idea that captive, high density deer don’t have a higher chance of getting CWD is untrue. CWD started in deer pens.

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But is said to have started in the scrapie sheep pens. It didn't just start from nothing.

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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by hvfs1118
Originally Posted by southbamaone
I wonder if they are talking about high fence deer plantations?
“The infection rates among some captive deer can be much higher, with a rate of 79 percent (nearly 4 in 5) reported from at least one captive herd,” the CDC says http://www.wbrc.com/2019/02/16/zombie-deer-disease-has-impacted-wildlife-states/

There deer farms in Alabama that has been there for 33 years So I think you can put the captive deer ideal in the trash just because they are in breed pens don't mean they get cwd think about it 33 years and never a single case of cwd Just because they are in pen don't mean they get cwd


And just because you juggle chainsaws doesn’t mean you’ll get cut. But it’s not smart because your odds are higher. The idea that captive, high density deer don’t have a higher chance of getting CWD is untrue. CWD started in deer pens.

It maybe untrue But that does not mean that it will cause cwd there are a lot of places that have cwd and they cant blame it on whitetail deer farms Norway has cwd in reindeer and they have no ideal where it came from

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Well JMO but i do know people transport drugs every day and im sure the amount of money thats involved in high fence hunting, theres some transporting of illegal deer ... I mean if a high fence deer owner can buy a bootleg deer x amount cheaper and sell it to a paying high fence shooter for major profit...Whats to say the bootleg deer has it and spreads it

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Re: High fence? [Re: hvfs1118] #2740759
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Originally Posted by hvfs1118
Originally Posted by southbamaone
I wonder if they are talking about high fence deer plantations?
“The infection rates among some captive deer can be much higher, with a rate of 79 percent (nearly 4 in 5) reported from at least one captive herd,” the CDC says http://www.wbrc.com/2019/02/16/zombie-deer-disease-has-impacted-wildlife-states/

There deer farms in Alabama that has been there for 33 years So I think you can put the captive deer ideal in the trash just because they are in breed pens don't mean they get cwd think about it 33 years and never a single case of cwd Just because they are in pen don't mean they get cwd



That's exactly the same attitude the Indians had when the white men came over regarding diseases. STD had never been here... but the white man brought it and other diseases! But I agree... just bc deer are in a pen, doesn't mean they'll get CWD. However...

CWD is not here in Alabama YET. How's CWD transmitted? Look at how it's transmitted and from your knowledge, do pen deer congregate and share fluids and are exposed to other deer's waste and bodily fluids at a MUCH higher rate than free range deer? Penned deer equals a MUCH higher rate of contamination than free range.

The deer farmers don't want to admit it, but it's true.

Alabama is trying to keep the CWD prions out of the state.

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Re: High fence? [Re: southbamaone] #2740852
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Anybody that believes it ain’t here needs to wake up

There is CWD in alabama they just haven’t tested a deer positive yet.


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Originally Posted by southbamaone
Well JMO but i do know people transport drugs every day and im sure the amount of money thats involved in high fence hunting, theres some transporting of illegal deer ... I mean if a high fence deer owner can buy a bootleg deer x amount cheaper and sell it to a paying high fence shooter for major profit...Whats to say the bootleg deer has it and spreads it


This is why the punishment for transporting deer across state lines needs to bring a violating deer farmer to his knees and basically, BREAK him financially!!

Why should I, as a hunter in Alabama, risk MY, OUR and YOUR natural resource so some unethical high fence owner can pad his pockets.

Make the punishment NOT WORTH THE RISKS!!!

Re: High fence? [Re: southbamaone] #2741822
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They need to friggin outlaw those dam high fence operations. It would eliminate all the losers posting their "kills" as fair chase too. You can't trust a man who would shoot a fenced in animal.

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[/quote]
It maybe untrue But that does not mean that it will cause cwd there are a lot of places that have cwd and they cant blame it on whitetail deer farms Norway has cwd in reindeer and they have no ideal where it came from [/quote]


Norway announced that it had a buck illegally transported into their boundaries by a low-life deer farmer!

Sorry, whitetail deer should not be livestock, IMO and tons of others too.[i][/i]

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Re: High fence? [Re: Sasquatch Lives] #2741835
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch Lives
They need to friggin outlaw those dam high fence operations. It would eliminate all the losers posting their "kills" as fair chase too. You can't trust a man who would shoot a fenced in animal.

IIRC, Michigan did not allow hunting from treestands for many years because they believed it was not sporting. Maybe we should think about outlawing treestands because its not fair to the deer.


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100 years from now, my great grandkids will NOT think that shooting a 300" buck walking around on his front legs (bc his antlers weigh more than his ass-end and his front legs represents his balance point) looking for an apple is sporting.

It won't be any hunting land anyway as Camden, AL will be an ISIS controlled area with Walmart type shopping centers with Mosque everywhere. frown

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Originally Posted by Thefofive
Originally Posted by hvfs1118
Originally Posted by southbamaone
I wonder if they are talking about high fence deer plantations?
“The infection rates among some captive deer can be much higher, with a rate of 79 percent (nearly 4 in 5) reported from at least one captive herd,” the CDC says http://www.wbrc.com/2019/02/16/zombie-deer-disease-has-impacted-wildlife-states/

There deer farms in Alabama that has been there for 33 years So I think you can put the captive deer ideal in the trash just because they are in breed pens don't mean they get cwd think about it 33 years and never a single case of cwd Just because they are in pen don't mean they get cwd



That's exactly the same attitude the Indians had when the white men came over regarding diseases. STD had never been here... but the white man brought it and other diseases! But I agree... just bc deer are in a pen, doesn't mean they'll get CWD. However...

CWD is not here in Alabama YET. How's CWD transmitted? Look at how it's transmitted and from your knowledge, do pen deer congregate and share fluids and are exposed to other deer's waste and bodily fluids at a MUCH higher rate than free range deer? Penned deer equals a MUCH higher rate of contamination than free range.

The deer farmers don't want to admit it, but it's true.

Alabama is trying to keep the CWD prions out of the state.

You said it It is not here But then you go back and say Penned deer equal a MUCH HIGHER rate of contamination than free range There are a lot of areas of free range that have cwd and deer pens in Alabama that have been here for 33 years have not got cwd If these farms have been there for 33 years JUST HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS POINT A FINGER AT SOMETHING THAT DEER FARMERS HAVE CHECKED ALOT LOT MORE THAN THE STATE HAS CHECKED IN THE WILD You have your thoughts and I have mine GOOD HUNTING FRIEND

Re: High fence? [Re: southbamaone] #2742633
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You know the thought of hunters advocating for other hunters rights to be taken away because they don’t hunt the same way is one of the key reasons we are just a few generations from hunting being a thing of the past. Like it or not we live in a society of instant gratification, this now includes “hunting”. Sure the majority of us that grew up hunting the hard way where you froze in a pair of hand me down camo army pants and brown jersey cotton gloves to kill a 40” 4point despise this when it comes to hunting.

But to advocate rights of another hunter to be taken away helps none of us. As far as new hunter recruitment sure most of those here with children will raise our children as best we can to love the outdoors appreciate our hunting traditions. But what about those who loose interest before the hook is ever set? We as parents have to compete with YouTube, travel ball, academics, and any number of other activities. With that being said if high fence hunting can help increase hunter numbers any or slow the loss then we have to consider that in our stands. If you don’t condone it then don’t participate it’s simple, but look at dog hunting and the number of hunters lost when it was out lawed in large portions of the state. Sure, it made the still hunting better but when you look at total hunter numbers it was a loss. Again some won’t care as they hated those who had illiterate dogs but there will come a time when the tree hugging millennials will out number us old curmudgeons and we might wish we would had a few more of those instant gratification seeking hunters on our side to fight for places like Bankhead to not become “wild” spaces with no human impact especially evil hurtful hunting.

While on that subject and because I saw it mentioned previously I also agree that anyone illegally transporting deer across state lines now that we know what we do about CWD should suffer finacial ruin as well as prison time. This includes state agencies which we can’t ignore as several state agencies have contributed to the spread of CWD in this manner.

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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by Sasquatch Lives
They need to friggin outlaw those dam high fence operations. It would eliminate all the losers posting their "kills" as fair chase too. You can't trust a man who would shoot a fenced in animal.

IIRC, Michigan did not allow hunting from treestands for many years because they believed it was not sporting. Maybe we should think about outlawing treestands because its not fair to the deer.

It was illegal to hunt deer from "scaffolds" for many years in Alabama.

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Originally Posted by Thefofive
Originally Posted by southbamaone
Well JMO but i do know people transport drugs every day and im sure the amount of money thats involved in high fence hunting, theres some transporting of illegal deer ... I mean if a high fence deer owner can buy a bootleg deer x amount cheaper and sell it to a paying high fence shooter for major profit...Whats to say the bootleg deer has it and spreads it


This is why the punishment for transporting deer across state lines needs to bring a violating deer farmer to his knees and basically, BREAK him financially!!

Why should I, as a hunter in Alabama, risk MY, OUR and YOUR natural resource so some unethical high fence owner can pad his pockets.

Make the punishment NOT WORTH THE RISKS!!!

You are right the last guy was fined 750,000 and lost his licence to have a deer farm


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