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For you snake experts - Edited, Updated
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06/06/16 06:51 AM
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timmytruck
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There have been three Water-Moccasins killed on my place in the last eight days. Two of them were of the "Cottonmouth" variety. One of the three had a black mouth. Are there different species of Water-Moccasins or are there just some "Cottonmouths" that don't have a white mouth? The black mouthed one was almost three feet long and bigger than one of the others that had a white mouth so it wasn't a juvenile. EDIT: I Should have told the whole story in my first post. Its a little lengthy but here goes. I was on a tractor working a stump pile and my neighbors dog was in the pile trying to catch field mice she had seen. I had been working the pile for a few minutes when the snake crawled out of the pile revealing itself. I was trying to get my tractor bucket on the snake when the dog saw it. Do you know a dog can be as hard headed as woman sometimes? Here I am hollering at the dog while trying to kill the snake when the inevitable happened. The dog bobbed when it should have weaved and got snake bit. I finally got the snake killed, saw the black mouth and for a moment thought that maybe this is a banded water snake. I checked the snake for fangs and my heart sank when I found them. I told my neighbor what had happened and around two hours later the right side of the dog's face was extremely swollen and she was a drooling badly. So there is no doubt it was a Water-Moccasin. It was not a Copperhead or a Rattler without rattles. My neighbor said the dog was still swollen this morning, lethargic but was wagging her tail. I pray she will be alright. UPDATE: Saw the snake bit dog this evening. She ran wide open a good 200 yards tail wagging and excited to see us. The swelling in her face had gone down and looked near normal. She still had a lot of swelling in her neck but she is going to be fine. Seeing the snake strike and connect is something I won't soon forget. I do have to be better prepared to deal with situations like this as I'm in the process of clearing overgrown acreage that has ponds and I know this is not the last encounter I'll have with these belly crawling demons.
Last edited by timmytruck; 06/06/16 03:57 PM.
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Re: For you snake experts
[Re: timmytruck]
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06/06/16 06:55 AM
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GomerPyle
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I was always under the interpretation that Cottonmouth/Water Moccasin were interchangeable terms because they ALL had white mouths...
you sure the one with a black mouth wasn't a water snake? they can look very similar and man non-venomous snakes can make their head look flat/pointed like a venomous one when threatened...
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[Re: GomerPyle]
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06/06/16 06:57 AM
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I was always under the interpretation that Cottonmouth/Water Moccasin were interchangeable terms because they ALL had white mouths...
you sure the one with a black mouth wasn't a water snake? they can look very similar and man non-venomous snakes can make their head look flat/pointed like a venomous one when threatened... Water moccasin is a cottonmouth. It was most likely a water snake of some sort, non-venomous.
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[Re: Atoler]
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06/06/16 08:31 AM
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Cottonmouth and moccasin are the same thing. Most people ain't got a clue what they are looking at, when it comes to snakes. My mom told me she killed a big Ol moccasin one day, I went down by the pond to get rid of it, and it was a dang rat snake The dreaded Copperheaded Waterrattler....
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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06/06/16 08:41 AM
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Sounds like three good snakes.
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06/06/16 08:44 AM
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Most people ain't got a clue what they are looking at, when it comes to snakes. This, for sure. Saw recently where someone had killed a 6-foot copperhead. WTH? Six feet?
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06/06/16 09:16 AM
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Most people ain't got a clue what they are looking at, when it comes to snakes. This, for sure. Saw recently where someone had killed a 6-foot copperhead. WTH? Six feet? 6 feet ain't nothing, I've heard of an 8 footer
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[Re: timmytruck]
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06/06/16 09:17 AM
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I have trouble with the banded water snake versus moccasin at times. Killed a big moccasin last year and almost didn't kill it thinking it was a water snake.
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06/06/16 09:18 AM
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Most people ain't got a clue what they are looking at, when it comes to snakes. This, for sure. Saw recently where someone had killed a 6-foot copperhead. WTH? Six feet? Could you imagine? That thing would be as big as a dang basketball in the middle!
This is Aldeer! The place people come to vent their frustrations and completely change their stance a few minutes later...
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06/06/16 09:21 AM
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I have trouble with the banded water snake versus moccasin at times. Killed a big moccasin last year and almost didn't kill it thinking it was a water snake. X2. I think it was James that posted a pic of a water snake in camp with them and everything about that snake looked like a moccasin except for its head. I normally don't get that close of a look before I've found a stick and get to whackin!
This is Aldeer! The place people come to vent their frustrations and completely change their stance a few minutes later...
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06/06/16 09:27 AM
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If it don't have a white mouth it is not a cottonmouth. Water moccasin is an interchangeable term. Like has already been posted 95 people out of 100 couldn't tell the difference in a venomous and non venomous snake. I teach snake ID courses and it's a sad fact. What gets me is a juvy moccasin and a copperhead. Hard for me to tell them apart.
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06/06/16 09:46 AM
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I have trouble with the banded water snake versus moccasin at times. Killed a big moccasin last year and almost didn't kill it thinking it was a water snake. Shoot first, identify later
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06/06/16 09:47 AM
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to be on the safe side i just kill em all When in doubt take em' out.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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