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Chufa Herbicide Application
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04/04/16 09:37 AM
04/04/16 09:37 AM
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Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 645 Birmingham, AL, USA
gjackson
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I believe this has been hashed out in the past in this forum, but I did some searches and couldn't find the specific answers I was looking for. I have a few questions about controlling weeds in chufa patches. Also looking for best overall practices that I can apply every year when planting chufa.
1. When is the best time to apply a pre-emergent (before planting, after planting, etc) and what is the best one to use? I've used Treflan in the past, but I can't remember if I applied it before or after planting, and whether it was done right at planting or several weeks before or after.
2. I've read that Milestone is an effective post-emergent herbicide, but I've never used it. Does it kill most broadleafs?
3. Is Poast Plus the best grass specific herbicide?
4. Is there a post-emergent "mix" that is recommended to handle both broadleaf and grasses?
5. Do any of you use both pre-emergent and post-emergent, or is it typically best to use one or the other?
Thank you in advance for the advice. Trying to plan my fields for next year.
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: gjackson]
#1708928
04/06/16 04:03 AM
04/06/16 04:03 AM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,521 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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Sorry I didn't respond; I saw your post yesterday on my phone and then forget to respond later. I'll try to answer your questions as best I know, which may be wrong:
1) When to apply the PRE depends on which herbicide you use. Treflan has to be incorporated into the soil, so you probably need to do it just before planting. Prowl and Command can be sprayed on right after planting, but both will need rain soon to work.
2) Milestone is the best broadleaf chufa herbicide I've found. Dr. Youngblood in Selma was the first I saw posting about it. It has wiped out some really bad weeds from my fields that I thought would always be there.
3) I've used Poast, Fusilade and Clethodim with good success on grass. I prefer Clethodim. It seems to work best and is cheapest.
4) Mix I use is Clethodim and Milestone.
5) Nothing wrong with using both. If you want perfectly clean fields, probably need both. I've found the mix I'm using now works well enough on my soils that I've quit using a PRE.
I am amazed to hear from people like Stikman who are able to grow chufas without herbicide. If I didn't use them on my fields I would have nothing but a waist high stand of grass and weeds. But all my fields have been in cultivation since the 1820s and have every weed known to the area. I guess the history of the soil and type of soil has everything to do with what you need as far as herbicides. I've had very little problem with insects and have some fields that have been in chufa over 10 years. Yellow nutsedge is the biggest problem in the old fields; very hard to deal with it in chufas.
Good luck with your chufas!
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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04/06/16 06:11 AM
04/06/16 06:11 AM
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Posts: 5,456 Dallas Co
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Sorry I didn't respond; I saw your post yesterday on my phone and then forget to respond later. I'll try to answer your questions as best I know, which may be wrong:
1) When to apply the PRE depends on which herbicide you use. Treflan has to be incorporated into the soil, so you probably need to do it just before planting. Prowl and Command can be sprayed on right after planting, but both will need rain soon to work.
2) Milestone is the best broadleaf chufa herbicide I've found. Dr. Youngblood in Selma was the first I saw posting about it. It has wiped out some really bad weeds from my fields that I thought would always be there.
3) I've used Poast, Fusilade and Clethodim with good success on grass. I prefer Clethodim. It seems to work best and is cheapest.
4) Mix I use is Clethodim and Milestone.
5) Nothing wrong with using both. If you want perfectly clean fields, probably need both. I've found the mix I'm using now works well enough on my soils that I've quit using a PRE.
I am amazed to hear from people like Stikman who are able to grow chufas without herbicide. If I didn't use them on my fields I would have nothing but a waist high stand of grass and weeds. But all my fields have been in cultivation since the 1820s and have every weed known to the area. I guess the history of the soil and type of soil has everything to do with what you need as far as herbicides. I've had very little problem with insects and have some fields that have been in chufa over 10 years. Yellow nutsedge is the biggest problem in the old fields; very hard to deal with it in chufas.
Good luck with your chufas! I know B Lee well, go to Church with him, try to pick his turkey brain all the time!
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: gjackson]
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04/06/16 06:50 AM
04/06/16 06:50 AM
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Posts: 2,909 Hayden, Alabama
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Stikman, if you straddle the rows to plant the next 2 rows, does it not plow up the first 2? I have thought about that for soybeans.
To God Be The Glory!
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: ronfromramer]
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04/06/16 06:51 AM
04/06/16 06:51 AM
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Posts: 12,521 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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pcp, my biggest problems are pigweed, morning glory and carpet weed and I don't see this listed on the label. I've been using 2,4-db and clethodim. Works pretty well but the carpet weed is the hardest to control I had big problems with all those using 2,4-DB, and ground cherry was real bad too. Milestone kills them like Wyatt Earp gunning down the Clanton gang.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: Stikman]
#1709108
04/06/16 07:03 AM
04/06/16 07:03 AM
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Posts: 12,521 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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Most of my fields are old loading docks. Once I break ground I let the new growth sprout and then spray with a cheap glyphosate and plant with a 2row planter and straddle the rows so that there is a row every 12 inches. Then broadcast clover afterwards. This is the only way I've found to cheaply achieve a productive stand of chufas. Now my idea of a productive stand and someone else's idea might vary drastically! Interesting method! Using the decks cuts down on weeds and so does rotating the land. I've planted in 36" rows before; never heard of using such narrow ones. Do you plow them at all?
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: HHSyelper]
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04/06/16 02:51 PM
04/06/16 02:51 PM
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Stikman, if you straddle the rows to plant the next 2 rows, does it not plow up the first 2? I have thought about that for soybeans. no my planter doesn't have the plows on the sides it has the flat skids that float across
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: Stikman]
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04/07/16 01:51 AM
04/07/16 01:51 AM
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Posts: 12,521 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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Run the disc over them twice and then run the tiller over them. My 2row planter has a 36 inch spacing for rows and by straddling every other run I get a row every 12 inches that way they have a better chance at shading out the weeds. I do have weeds but the chufas produce plenty of nuts. And they make a fine place for the deer to bed up in. After planting I do not plow. Just broadcast clover and forget about them until the fall and then I start my coon eradication program!!!!!!! I'm not quite understanding, but that is clearly an ingenious way of farming. Looks to me like the rows should be 18" if you are straddling a row and planting again. If I had a decent planter I would try it. If you could plow them just once it would surely help with the few weeds you have. Thanks for sharing your method!
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: gjackson]
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04/07/16 03:18 AM
04/07/16 03:18 AM
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Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,909 Hayden, Alabama
HHSyelper
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Stikman, could you get me some pictures of your planter? I have a 2 row covington that I might could just remove some of the plows to make it happen. Really smart idea.
To God Be The Glory!
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Re: Chufa Herbicide Application
[Re: HHSyelper]
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04/07/16 11:07 AM
04/07/16 11:07 AM
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Posts: 821 Montgomery
Stikman
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Stikman, could you get me some pictures of your planter? I have a 2 row covington that I might could just remove some of the plows to make it happen. Really smart idea. Mine is a covington also, except I took off the 2 outside plows that follow behind the tractor tires and replaced them with a bent piece of leaf spring that's curled back to make a sled like planter.
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