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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1514605
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I'm not smart enough to get into the mathematics or percentages of it but I think most counties in Alabama can hold 150 class and up bucks. They may be in a place that's never hunted and are never seen.
The middle and upper part of the State has more than we probably know. It seems like the good hunters are killing them pretty regularly. I think it's my turn this year! grin


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1514726
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depends on location, I would say 1 to 2.


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1514820
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YOu shoot a 130" at our place and you will be kicked out


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: Whild_Bill] #1514827
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Originally Posted by Whild_Bill
YOu shoot a 130" at our place and you will be kicked out


Yall only shoot 150s right?



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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: Whild_Bill] #1514891
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Originally Posted by Whild_Bill
YOu shoot a 130" at our place and you will be kicked out


Holy crap, so what is the cutoff and how many bucks are killed on your property every year?

Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: BamaBart] #1514909
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I think most counties in Alabama can hold 150 class and up bucks.


They can't be 150-class 4/5-year-old bucks when they're killed as 110-inch youngsters.



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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1514922
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The other variable not mentioned is how much money/time/labor are you and the adjoining land managers throwing toward the deer. I'm being a little cynical, but I believe with enough resources and hunter restraint, you can grow 130+ deer on scorched earth anywhere in Alabama. If you have moderate soils and manage the habitat along with the deer herd it is quite possible to have several mature bucks of that class in a square mile of overlapping home ranges. I know of a few such locations that produce several deer of this caliber and better every year (500-800 acre properties). However, these properties are not the norm for Alabama and are not hunted or managed by the norm either.


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1514958
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Most places in this state.... ZERO.. Nada...None on a consistent basis. They get killed before they ever get that big.

130 is not unrealistic for any place in the State, but it is unrealistic to think there would be any type of consistency. Once guy may consistently kill a 130+ every year or two while the guy a couple miles away might see one every 5-10 years.

Why?

Other hunters. You can't let anything grow in this State with the liberal bag limits we've got.

If you are seeing the deer in the daylight... it is dumb enough for someone else to see it too. Soon as it sticks it's nose out on the the adjacent land's food plot it's going to get blown off. That's the reality for most off us.


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: Goatkiller] #1514985
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller


130 is not unrealistic for any place in the State, but it is unrealistic to think there would be any type of consistency. Once guy may consistently kill a 130+ every year or two while the guy a couple miles away might see one every 5-10 years.

Why?




Disagree, can be done with consistency in the right place and the feller down the road can have some, but doesn't have the skill set to kill them.



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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1514988
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Question is too open-ended for an accurate answer.
I know properties that have several 130"+ bucks per sq mile. And, I know plenty of properties that may not average 1 buck per sq mile that is over 130".

There are just too many variables to consider on a statewide basis for an accurate answer.

Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515076
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If you took Bama's herd and moved it to Illinois. Let our deer live under Illinois regulations for 3 seasons. Would it look any different than now?

I'm just wondering if YOU think the difference is PRIMARILY genetic, harvest practices, or soil/food?


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: ikillbux] #1515083
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If you took Bama's herd and moved it to Illinois. Let our deer live under Illinois regulations for 3 seasons. Would it look any different than now?



Yes. It would be better.


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: ikillbux] #1515125
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Originally Posted by ikillbux
If you took Bama's herd and moved it to Illinois. Let our deer live under Illinois regulations for 3 seasons. Would it look any different than now?

I'm just wondering if YOU think the difference is PRIMARILY genetic, harvest practices, or soil/food?


Definitely better, if they could weather the cold, haha. I think the main problems in our area are lack of nutrition and age. You gotta have both for antlers. On a typical lease like ours, if we have 25 deer per square mile, we would have 50 or so deer on the property at a given time. If 40% are bucks, then we have about 20 bucks. Any chance of 1 of those being a 130 class buck in south Alabama is pretty slim. Mature deer in this area always seem to be missing one of the components of score. If he's got good tine length, he's missing mass, or good mass with short beams and tines, etc. Rare is the buck that has all the features to hit that 130 number. That was pretty true 35 years ago as well when few hunted and mature bucks were more common. But, you would see those "special" bucks a little more often. I'm below the black belt and above the coastal plain.

Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515151
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I would say where I live one per square mile is close. If you dropped that to 110-120" deer it would prob be 3 per square mile.


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515193
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depending on where you are, and how the land is managed, and how much land it is, I would guess any where from none to 6 or 7.

Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515262
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IN some areas of south Alabama I would say 0 over 120 or larger. Just don't have the soil, agriculture or age I guess. A lot of bucks would not get to 120 if they lived to be 10.

Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515268
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I think this thread has solved the answer to the question about antler restrictions . Alabama does not need Antler restrictions , definitely not state wide.

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Originally Posted by RonBuck
I think this thread has solved the answer to the question about antler restrictions . Alabama does not need Antler restrictions , definitely not state wide.


While I'm not really a proponent of antler restrictions, I fail to see how that that question has been answered in this thread?

Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515602
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Regulations would not help them in Illinois either. The soil would though. Them locals up there are some trigger happy individuals and antler size don't matter


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Re: Realistic Expectations in Bama [Re: mike35549] #1515605
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Most of us that hunt leased land do not have the liberty of managing the land in anyway to increase availability of quality food. It will be pine plantation of varying age with very little if any large Ag fields, and with the exception of the black belt and large river bottoms marginal soils at best it sucks but that is what most of us have to hunt. About the only thing you can control in age and in that aspect I said if you only kill 4.5 and older and so do all your neighbors lets say 10-15 thousand acres. I think a whole lot of people that hunt these areas in AL and do practice serious trigger control never see the results they are looking for because there expectations are to high. If you have 6,400 acres with 32 members which is probably above average member/acre ratio and you killed 1 per 640 acres you get 10 bucks over 130 that gives you an average of 1 every three years or so per member. I think a lot of people in this situation expects to be able to kill one every year that big or bigger.


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