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I’ve done this a few times and works like a charm
Changing people from gottta disk and throw triple 13 mentality to grow a greenfield.

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Grew Floriana corn in ladino clover without termination and used as a green manure

I don't have Facebook. Wish I could see it

I think it may be in this segment

As much as fertilizer costs these days I figured the idea of not having to use any would be a bigger draw for folks to change......

Absolutely ZERO fertilizer on this high nitrogen fixer plot right now. It’s in upland hard heavy clay but does have a few inches of good organic sandy loam on top. Hopefully no fertilizer will be needed for the fall crop I follow up with.

Are you planning on using cereal rye this fall?

Yes it’s a part of the mix I’ll use.

Looks good and like those mixes. I’m partial to triticale for some reason over rye.

Cereal rye will likely do the best when trying to run without fertilizer.....it's a N scavenger.....Wheat especially will be much more prone to running N deficient.

Oh yeah I've watched all those videos. I'm wanting to use that mix or the vitalise mix this fall and then go with the nitrogen builder next spring. As far as I can see, both those seed blends (release method, and vitalist) seem to be really close to one another. My boss is supposed to buy a no till drill this summer so we will use it in his plots and see how it goes. He owns about 300 acres that joins up to our club. Sometimes it's hard to talk the club guys into trying something new, but if they look across the property line and see his plots looking good they will want to do it.

I thought I recalled triticale was the best of both worlds? Of course that was years ago.

What's the cost of triticale compared to cereal rye?

My deer are picky eaters. I planted a mix with cereal rye in it. They won't touch it, planted chicory, won't touch it. They will eat white institute imperial clover all day. Guess I am going back to that.

I tried biologic when it first came out and got the same response.
Deer did eat the triticale though back then.

When I was planting it years ago it was similarly priced as wheat and or rye. Feed wheat was much cheaper but now’s struck in g to build organic matter

It was from the old QDMA forum where I got the info and mixes for

I like the young guy in that video…..He seems to get it…..

Just gonna throw this pic in the mix as something to think about for your summer plantings……This is a patch of teaweed…..It started showing up several years into the soil building process. If you look at the back of the patch you’ll see the post sticking out from two exclusion cages I put around it to make sure it made seed. Teaweed is really close to being nutritionally equivalent to soybeans.

I’ll throw something else out there to ponder over……If you have to put a fence around your summer planting and exclude the deer from using for the majority of the summer to keep it from being decimated……then what have you really gained even if you don’t have to use fertilizer in the fall??.....All you’ve done is swapped your fall fertilizer cost for summer planting cost if nothing else was gained. I know folks have summer seed blends to sell buuuuuut…..lets remember to keep things in context as it relates to the big picture. I say that because what I found was that once my fields started growing more desirable natural browse in fertile conditions, like you see above ^^^ it was hard to keep the deer from decimating those natural plants….. much less some more finicky specie that’s much less browse tolerant like everyone wants to plant. Why would I want to spend money to plant those when the deer are eating the natural browse like you see in the picture??

Hey CNC, what I’ve noticed this year is the areas I have done a lot of improvement to substantial acreages of native browse, like growing season burns or selective herbicide treatments to promote more desirable herbaceous growth over woody stems, fall discing, etc, I have far less pressure on summer crops there. In areas of closed canopy forests with little other active management summer crops lasted a week after germination and they’re now essentially gone

I could see that with the right deer density and large enough fields

Here's a good one for the South Alabama folks.........