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Good information there.
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Appreciate the link. Interesting read.
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Several interesting things in the research. I would have been interested in the distance total that a buck travels from his bedding area to the feeding area. The 55 yards increase during hunting season didn't really help any.
I wonder why UGA went to Pa to do a research study about the range of a mature buck being 907 acres. I would be more interested in the range of a buck in the south.
The most interesting is the coyote studies. Them essobees like to eat fawns and it seems they have a short life span or something. They say shooting them basically doesn't help, which doesn't make much sense to me.
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I had a lot of the same thoughts. I would have liked to have more south east studies. I guess we'll just have to disagree on the coyotes and I'll continue to shoot and trap as many as I can. A dead one can't eat a fawn.
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I knew coyotes liked persimmons, but i didn't know that was basically half their diet, outside of fawning period. I just planted 3 fuyo's about a month ago. Now i'm rethinking this. I wont plant anymore, i'll just stick with pears and crabapples.
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A dang coyote will eat about anything. I've got a lot of pictures of them eating corn in front of my cameras.
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I knew coyotes liked persimmons, but i didn't know that was basically half their diet, outside of fawning period. I just planted 3 fuyo's about a month ago. Now i'm rethinking this. I wont plant anymore, i'll just stick with pears and crabapples. They will eat pears also. Ive had em on game camera eating them. Farmer near me swears they get into his water melons every year. Guess they eat whatever they can to survive.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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I've got a lot of pictures of them eating corn in front of my cameras. Same here as well....
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I've got a lot of pictures of them eating corn in front of my cameras. Same here as well.... X2
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In the early 80's I remember by granddad trapping a coyote in our melon patch(watermelons and cantaloupes). We didn't know what was eating our melons until we caught it. They will eat just about anything. I think the most important info was the increase shown in fawn recruitment once trapping was allowed during fawning season. It isn't that killing them want help it is just about when you do it. If you are trapping/shooting during fawning season it will help. If you just kill them during deer season more will be on your property before fawning season. So if you want to help fawn recruitment you need to be exterminating just before and during the fawning period. I am joining a club that has a member set to trap during the drop time this year so I will have a little more info after this deer season and hopefully in years to come.
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Oh yea coyotes love melons. I have trouble with em in my watermelon patch every year.
Right and wrong will never change---only people's perception!
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I think what they mean by shooting them doesnt do any good is the overall picture. If you only shoot them you will not have enough coyotes taken out to do much good! But if you shoot them and trap them at the right time your fawn recrutement may in crease by 50% plus. Shooting them CANNOT de any harm! Trapping them and shooting them is the way to go. If you can get a permit to hunt them at night, with the proper NV equipment and calling or ambushing you can make a decent dent in the poulation!
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I think what they mean by shooting them doesnt do any good is the overall picture. If you only shoot them you will not have enough coyotes taken out to do much good! But if you shoot them and trap them at the right time your fawn recrutement may in crease by 50% plus. Shooting them CANNOT de any harm! Trapping them and shooting them is the way to go. If you can get a permit to hunt them at night, with the proper NV equipment and calling or ambushing you can make a decent dent in the poulation! x2, Yep.
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Just a thought.....but what if planted some orchards of some type of fruit tree that had a drop date that very closely coincided with your peak fawn dropping date....Would the overwhelming amount of food being present take some pressure off of the fawn predation? Blumsden, look at our planting experiment as an example of what I'm getting at here. We can't do anything about having birds, but the turkeys and other birds aren't scratching to get to our seed because there is much easier pickins to be had. Would a coyote actively pursue fawns as hard if there was plenty of other easier pickins? Like I said, just thinking out loud mostly....... 
Folks that know don't shoot old does........ 
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CNC , thats a great long term idea! Mine on my private land cost 60 dollars each. Yoy can buy seedling from native nuserys for 5.99. A 6-8 foot tree should run from 50-100 dollars depending on type of pressimmons. The land owner or leases might object would be my only concern. Think it takes 3 years to bear good fruit from the ones i bought!
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CNC , thats a great long term idea! Mine on my private land cost 60 dollars each. Yoy can buy seedling from native nuserys for 5.99. A 6-8 foot tree should run from 50-100 dollars depending on type of pressimmons. The land owner or leases might object would be my only concern. Think it takes 3 years to bear good fruit from the ones i bought! What about if we used wild chickasaw plums? I believe it drops fruit along the same time as fawning in most areas. I dug these up and transplanted them when they were about the size of my pinky finger. That was about 6 years ago I think. They have never failed to produce even when late frosts zapped other things. They also begin producing at a very early age. Didn’t cost me any more than the labor to dig them up either. If you did want to just buy them to save to hassle of transplanting, then they are a very cheap fruit tree compared to most others like apples and pears. The Wildlife Group sales them for $1 each. Another bonus is that plum thickets make great bedding spots as well as good habitat for birds. There's actually a covey of wild quail living amongst these right now.  
Folks that know don't shoot old does........
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How long did it take to get that big? Will Chicksaw Plums grow in red clay soil? Though about dunston chestnut. BhamFred said they have them at wal-mart at a good price. I think he was talking about planting some not long ago? Is it too late to plant some?
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How long did it take to get that big? Will Chicksaw Plums grow in red clay soil? These are about 6 years old but they've been producing since year 2 or 3. If you give them plenty of sun then they grow really fast and produce prolifically. They are very easy to grow too. Not 100% sure but I'd imagine you could grow them in a variety of different soil types.
Folks that know don't shoot old does........
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I'd bet a yote would wade thru a four foot high pile of those to eat a fawn........
not too late to plant Dunstans IF you can (and will) water them regular thru the summer....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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