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Yaw is krazee. Next time you're on a food plot full of does, and it's nearing prime twilight "buck time", go ahead and blast off a shot or two across the field. No seriously, just shoot into the dirt below your stand. According to you, won't hurt nuthin.

I kill every coyote I get a shot at with my bow, and I'd shoot them while squirrel hunting (or some other misc critter hunting), but I simply ain't going to bang a gun at a coyote while I'm deer hunting. You can spout off all the random examples of shots not spooking deer that you want to, it means less than squat to me. I guarantee you've had WAAAAAYYY more times when every deer in sight turned inside out after a shot.

We are free to disagree on this, not a hill I'd die on....I just don't believe you could kill enough to matter. Ain't mad at you if you think otherwise, I just wouldn't want to lease land with you. Again, I am NOT a coyote sympathizer, I absolutely loathe those %$^$##$@s, I wish I could fly over my property and drop a poison cloud on it that would kill every last one of them.

And the previous 3 pages of pissing matches is worthless. Doesn't matter who's right, there ain't a hunting club that I know of who'd pay money (or could if they wanted to) to trap coyotes. I love the idea, but I couldn't pay several hundred dollars (my hypothetical share) to pay a trapper. Remember we aren't talking about an ideal world here, most of us are in leases with a handful of other guys, there just aren't the resources to be THAT professional.

im all ears or I guess eyes.

ikillbux, their are LOTS of hunting clubs that pay for trappers to trap coyotes. Some simple just let the trapper have a FREE membership! Look at is this way, you have 7 people on 1000 acres. You make a deal with a good trapper, that has the SAME idea on deer managemnet as you do. Now you have 8 people on 1000 acres. Is that 1 more person on 1000 acres really going to hurt the club? I have worked for cash, club membership, and even for guns! I get what your saying. in an ideal world part! I am willing to give trapping advice for free. As far as what traps to buy and so own. I simply was angered by the fact that CNC claimed about trapping doing no good! A person can read books, watch you tube, and pay for trapping leasons, so why not try to catch coyotes if you have the time? I mainly hire out to game managers and club members that dont have the time but have the money. CNC tryed to make me out to be some greedy coyote merchenary, only after you guys money. Thats simply not true. If you guys have questions that I can answer I will be willing to answer them? I have 25 years of coyotes catching experience, and 1000s of coyotes caught. I hope this help people to understand that YOU can control the coyotes and your deer management desires and not the other way around!

Actually, that is a good idea Shooters.

thats funny, I don't care who you are.....

You guys would be hell in a belittling contest��. but your ability to back up your side of the argument with much more than anything other than belittling is pretty lacking.

I thought I did ok

If I belittled anyone I didn't mean to.

I haven't met the man, but I heard Shaw was one helluva belittler!
I am lucky enough to have a friend that loves trapping. He only comes in February, but has caught between 7 an 16 in that short month. I certainly feel like it helps, and he gets to have some fun along with helping us out. After he leaves, it takes a few months before the tracks show up, but they don't come back full fledge until fall. Even then, there never seems to be as many as we had the first year we had our place.

Your the 1 that started this crap! Their has been plenty of facts that Nighthunter presented but YOU were to busy looking for ways to deny the truth or twist the truth to say what YOU want it to! If you dont have thick enough skin to take some Belittling then stop posting! I have disagree with people, so what. I have been called names and have called others names , get over it, this is not a womens nitting club! I agree with people when they are right and disagree when they are wrong. They do me the same way, its an open forum. 10,000 member= man up dude. I have offer my help ,and free advice on coyote trapping if i can answer a question i will. I have seen YOU offer zero help, only advice against trapping, because you feel it does no good. I am glad you in YOUR area need no coyote help. Many people on here want/ need coyote help, be it free trapping advice or to pay a professional for leasons or help. It takes only a small investment for a person to learn to trap coyotes. This we should do nothing , but accept the coyotes crap is what pisses me off!

I�m not looking for an apology. Me and my feelings could care less what tactics you guys want to use to debate your side of the argument. I�m just pointing out that for most of the responses here, there�s actually very little substance to what�s being said. Just posting links without any further explanation is not much of a defense either. It�s like just turning in an answer to a math teacher without showing your work. Do you really understand the problem or are you just copying and pasting an answer?

And as far as habitat improvement, I along with the majority of others I think, lease from a timber company. You cut a tree, burn, or anything else along those lines and they'll pack your crap for you and send you on your way. The only thing we can do is plant the very few places they allow us to. Trapping and shooting the yotes we see is our only option.

I was asking strictly based on coyote population. Let's take fawn recruitment out of the picture. So your not actually lowering the population of yotes your just pressuring them during fawning time making the fawns safer? What if I was worried about the yotes eating quail, or rabbits or squirrels? How would your program work if those were my goals?

CNC, do your neighbors walk around griping about not seeing any wild quail? I'm sure they pen raise and turn them loose, right? I know there are several other predators that are as responsible or more so than coyotes, but coyotes aren't the only thing that steps in those traps.

Honestly , jibuc10 i cant answer that correctly. I mainly trap for cattle men ,game managers, and biologist. Im sorry i dont have an answer for you on the birds,rabbits,and squirrells. I would think that buy taking out coyotes it would help the other aniamals have a better chance to make it? Yes you can lower the number of coyotes, but its hard. You must take out 80%, to help the deer fawn recriitment. It you take out 50 and thats your 80% , next year 40 might come back. Then 30 the next year and so on. Studys i have read about talk about 80% for 5 years then you just run what i call a mantaince line of traps to catch the straglers. Im sorry i cant answer your question on bird, squirrels, and rabbits, like i said i deal with cattlemen and gamemanagers!

Thanks for responding. The deer population on my farm is fine, but I've noticed a large decline in the small game population, along with the increase of the yote pop.

My thoughts exactly!!!

FYI, I DO have places I want my coyotes to help me control the deer population.

By the way, I am glad that shooter is not teaching spelling and sentence structure.

and you are getting in here why????


me, myself, and I never want a damn yote "helping" me to control deer numbers , they seem to use a different criteria in choosing which ones to remove

Exactly!


Statistics be damned, but I know for a fact that 100% of the yotes I shoot never kill another deer or throw a single pup. The "yotr radar" may send out a signal to call one in from my neighboring property, but then he has one less for a while as well, so when I kill his trespassing yote I've spared a few deer in both places. You can put up all the graphs of lynxes and rabbits you like, but in my world I'm part of nature and sometimes I'm the deciding factor in this "balance" you talk so much about. Using coyotes to manage your deer population is as logical as using copperheads to control mice in your house, it might work to some degree but it's still pretty damn stoopid.

Somebody needed to straighten them out

I see you do an awful lot of trapping on those places with good fawning habitat. I wonder why

And again, I'll say coyotes are localized issues, just like deer overpopulation. Ted knows that and must be busting my chops.

I just do not want coyotes making my harvest decisions regardless what my deer population is.

P.S.

I'm done.