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Some science on this blog I read when it came out.

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Again, localized problem.


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Old Texas paper noting coyotes could control deer numbers in low density areas.

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Hold up Nighthunter......Instead of just posting link after link. Slow up and explain your answer a little. If you notice when I posted the graph, I went into great detail to explain it. What in these links proves me wrong? Where does it say that providing adequate fawning habitat and reducing doe harvests is not a solution to curtailing predator impacts? Where does it prove that we must all have a predator trapping/control program in place in order to have a well rounded management plan?

Let's start with this^^^

In most of these, as I've said coyotes are a localized problem. Not everyone will have to deal with their predation as being a problem. I never said everyone had to have a predator control plan. You can't go find it because I didn't say it.

Shooter you say that it's a never ending process and if you kill coyotes off a property new ones will just replace them every year so you need to be on a trapping program. Let's say you have 15 yotes on a property and kill them all theorhetically couldn't 15 new yotes replace them next year? Hence the need for trapping every year. Why not just not start the process of killing them and just deal with the original 15. I've just got the impression from what you've said that you will never be able to eliminate the yote problem, so why waste money on trapping if they're just gonna be replaced by next year?

^^^^^ Right here is where you said it Nighthunter.

Because if you kill them at the right time you get your fawn precentage to rise. From 30 % is the average from what im reading. You are killing 15, and getting more deer. So next year , hopefully you kill 10 and get 30% more deer. My point has been " why bend over and grab your ankles?" Do something about the problem. I do not see it as wasting you money if , by trapping you increase you fawn production by 30%. If you dont have coyote problems, thats great. I am truly happy for the man that doesnt have coyote problems. Its not like im getting rich trapping coyotes! I would say a great % of people on here have coyote problems or concerns. We spend lots of time talking about it right? A coyote ttached a dog in down town or something like that, just the other day it was on the news? I think we have a coyote problem in large parts of the state. If you have coyote problems , trap them if you dont be happy. If you want more deer the trap the coyotes. All over the internet you can see the advantages of trapping coyotes, so if you have a problem why not correct it? I dont fill that trapping is a waste of money, if you do thats your decesion. If you dont want more deer, or are happy with your current situation the im happy 4 you. But if you want to increase fawn recruitment then trapping is a good thing no?

Now look at the big picture for a minute. I am not saying you are wrong in your thoughts. Hunter harvests and coyote predation are additive mortality. If you are spending time and money on growing deer why allow coyotes to be an additive source of mortality.

Anyway, there is little or no research that shows dense fawning habitat actually increases fawn survival either.

Reducing doe harvest is fine but that seems like right the opposite thing that hunters would want to do...

I am with you on the fawning habitat though. Like I said. It is a multi pronged attacked.

Where does it say everyone needs it?

Nighthunter, you wanted to jump in this pissing match for what reason???

Now this is just my opinion on this so take it for what it's worth. It is a constant fight but you target your fight so it does the most good. You target the coyotes prior and during fawning season. This way you increase fawn survival and run traps when it is a bit cooler. You shoot coyotes you see during the rest of the year then start over.

Because simply shooting one to two does instead of four or five is way easier and less costly for most general hunters or landowners than predator trapping and is a much better long term solution. Do you think most people really want to take the time effort and money it takes to trap? Also, most people who are seriously managing their land for deer probably aren�t concerned with not having to harvest as many does.

Now I'm not sure, I thought this was already solved by some research.

Coyotes do not select does, hunters do. You loose 50%(of the deer predated upon) of your bucks that are born on this gamble. Pretty expensive to me.

BhamFred, Jlbuc10 ask me a question as to why coyote trap and i tryed to answer, silly me right! I have been trapping coyotes for 25 years. Most years i catch 100 plus. I have litterly caught 1000s of coyotes. I only hope that people will realize the help that coyote trapping can do incujuction with the rest of the QDMA type tools.

I retract my earlier statement in this thread... I actually do agree with Shooters.

CNC I don't think your belt goes through all your loops on this subject..

Well.....It sounds like this wouldn't be a good time to tell you about how plowing before planting isn't necessary either.......