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If you kill one another will take its place.

every time i read that i say , BS way of thinking !!! . a live coyote is a eating coyote . a live coyote is a reproducing coyote . i also think the people that say that is ignorant ( i did not say stupid ) of how predator populations work .

by not killing coyotes you're allowing three things at least .

you're allowing that coyote to keep right on killing and feeding

you allow it a chance to reproduce .

you allow the coyote population to expand outward .

if no one killed coyotes i wonder how many thousands of coyotes would be added to the population each year . course the population at some point would crash but only after the food source had crashed

to me it's odd as hell how in places we can kill to many doe's but won't kill enough coyotes . we as hunters in ALABAMA could control the coyotes and no one will ever convince me other wise .

lol ,,, be sunday evening before i'm back in here to reply.

I agree you got to kill them when you see them no matter what.

If I see one....it dead....

Yotes are territorial. If you kill one, another will take its place in that area.


The reason Alabama hunters and hunters in general won't kill more coyotes is because they can't brag about them and they don't have antlers. There's nothing to stroke the ego.

I shoot them, or attempt to shoot them at all cost, when I see them.

But coming from the mind of a primarly turkey hunter if we were to eradicate coyotes, what would happen with the little varmints that destroy turkey nest?

I shoot every one I can. On the other hand. If you are in to cattle and you see yotes but they aren't bothering your herd you might not want to. Because you might get one in to replace it that will. Just my .02c. I am all for kill them all tho. But I have experienced the leave em alone if they aren't hurting you situation. Or at least my perception of it.

It appears that the mentality is to allow them to live so they reproduce and over-populate & wipe out the food sources faster so their population crashes due to starvation & disease?

I kill every one I see, and when one takes it's place I'll kill it as well. There has to be a limited number reached somewhere, but I assure you there's no limit to how many I'm willing to kill.

I do like the parvo-puppy idea....

I'm not sure that coyotes eat the varmints that destroy nests. Yotes prey mainly on rabbits, fawns, poults, mice, ect. I've never heard of one eating a raccoon or opossum or skunk. The only way I know of to adequately control predators is by periodic and consistent trapping. You will never shoot enough of them to negatively impact the population. Honestly, I'm not gonna let a yote walk thinking he may eat a coon and thereby save a nest.

Every yote needs to die. Our rabbits and mice were kept in check by hawks, snakes, and foxes prior to the 1970's and 1980's when huge influx of coyotes crossed the Mississippi river into the southeastern states.

Dr. B

I think most of them crossed the river in the back of a pickup.

I had a vet tell me the parvo puppy deal works. Gets carried back to the den and gets in the soil. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Not sure you comprehend how many coyotes are on your place and neighboring land. You couldn't possibly kill enough (by shooting the ones you see) to even remotely make a dent. And I dang sure ain't gonna ruin a good deer hunt by shooting (loud noise of a gun) at a stupid coyote. I hate those things as bad (or worse) than ANYBODY, but folks who "shoot every one they see" ain't doing nothing but screwing up a good deer hunt.

I disagree by 1000000xxxxxxxxx

Does killing every deer you see put a dent in the deer population?

if you do it ever year ,,, yes !!!! same with coyotes.

That's my point!

nope , that's wrong . i've had shots very near me and the deer i was watching would only raise their head . i've killed coyotes and dogs and deer came through . i.ve killed deer and have more deer come through .

i wonder how many buck fawns are killed by the coyotes you let walk in it's life time and how many good hunts that messes up for you in the future .

you can't shoot enough coyotes ??? who says and where the facts to back that up ???

Not shooting coyote(s) when you have the opportunity has the potential to ruin many hunts.

Coyotes (Predators) and Deer (prey) have always been at odds (consider Texas for example). If left alone (without human intervention) they will strike a balance.
Since man does have an impact, it is up to us (hunters) to intervene (manage) both species (conservation). Keep in mind too, coyotes also have an impact on turkeys. If you hunt turkeys and deer, passing up a coyote in the fall has the potential to eliminate a tom turkey before spring arrives (they do come to turkey calls - first hand experience knowledge!).

I remember when the debate was "yes, coyotes are too killing fawns" VS "coyotes are getting a few fawns here and there, but they are not having a significant impact". The studies and research has been done - coyotes ARE having a significant impact on fawn recruitment.

Here is what another state is saying to hunters in it's state;
Hunters Help Control Coyotes and Save Our Deer

Anyone aware of the big multi year study done on deer & coyotes in SC? The findings were eyeopening!!
Are Coyotes Impacting Deer? USDA Study

In this first phase of the study researchers did nothing to the coyotes. They did not shoot or trap any of the coyotes. In the 2nd phase the researchers did shoot and trap coyotes, and the fawn recruitment went up. A few google searchers and you can read a lot of info on that study, and it is very educational.

Coyotes Impact Deer in Southeastern North America

Save a Deer - Shoot a Coyote
Save a Turkey - Shoot a Coyote
Save a Quail - Shoot a Coyote


SCDNR:
"Also, coyotes are a recent addition to the landscape and are another piece of the puzzle. SCDNR has recently completed a major study with researchers at the Savannah River Site investigating the affects coyotes are having on the survival of deer fawns. Cumulative data through the first 3 years of the study indicated approximately 70 percent total fawn mortality with coyotes being responsible for approximately 80 percent of these mortalities. If these findings even moderately represent a statewide situation, this "new mortality factor" is clearly involved in the reduction in deer numbers. This is especially true when combined with extremely liberal deer harvests that have been the norm in South Carolina. The last 3 years of the study were for the purpose of determining if reducing coyote density through trapping increases fawn survival. It seems logical that if coyotes are preying on fawns, then significantly reducing coyote densities should increase fawn survival. Over the course of the 3 year coyote "control" phase, 474 coyotes were trapped/killed on the study areas. Overall, results showed only modest increases in fawn survival following these efforts with an overall average of about 39 percent increase in survival. Also, trapping seemed to help in some years but have little effect on predation in others. This "year" effect may have something to do with the availability of coyote food sources that may change in abundance annually. Given these results and the difficulty and high cost of coyote control, it seems apparent that making adjustments to how we manage deer, particularly female deer, is more important now that prior to the colonization of the state by coyotes."

One of the few rules I have is that anyone who passes up an opp to kill a yote on a hunt dosen't get a return invite.....

Coyotes are also like squirrels....they breed off population density...they lower the population gets the more pups they have....

That is true, no doubt...

BUT, the dead ones do not have pups!