Talking about the kicks: even a 3" can hurt if you "forget" to seat the butt right. Last week I promised my 5 yr old daughter that we would blow up a leftover pumpkin if I got home from work in the daylight. Well I did, kept my promise, and pulled out my new (to me) Win 30-30, set up the pumpkin 40 yds away and blew a hole clean through the middle. Let her shoot at it with my 22; then decided to get my 870 (w/ extra full choke) and shoot it w/ 3" 00 buckshot. Just threw it up and turned the pumpkin into pie filler. Then I realized that dummy me seated it on my shoulder bone. Hurt to move my shoulder for about half an hour. My wife called me a wus for the rest of the night. LOL