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What do yall think about the state charging a extra $10 or sow on hunting license to pay a bounty for killing coyotes.This would save lots of fawns (bucks)

$20 would be even better. I'm for it.

Are you kidding ? It would never get to the bounty it would end up somewhere else. The state gets enough money.

The state Department of Conservation brought coy's into the state years ago to control the deer population.

Surely you don't think they would pay some one to kill them.

Bucksville, did they ? Can you provide me with an online article verifying this ? (not doubting you at all, I just want to read about it) Thanks.

I knew that Fox Hunters brought coyotes in to hunt, but I didn't know the State did.

Mission, there is no documentation of this because of the obvious repercussions that would have occurred. However, I have been told this by two different Officers, on two different occasions, and neither knew the other one had told me about it, that they where there when the animals came in and where released.

I didn't see it, but I believe these two guys. They have never lied to me before.

This would have been some time in the 80's. Back when Alabama was number 2 in the nation for deer per acre. I blame pressure from the timber companies on the state to lower the population due to damage to the pine tree plantings. Just a thought.................

Thanks, Bucksville. I was only curious and wasn't doubting your info at all.

Man...if I could only go back in time.

Who do you think would wind up paying for that bounty?

We hunters would pay and also get payed when we killed them

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Coyote bounties have never been very effective in controlling populations. There is a lot of research out there, look it up.

maybe we should get the 119 gw we have that do nothing but cause trouble, maybe we could get them to hunt them.

>>>This would have been some time in the 80's. Back when Alabama was number 2 in the nation for deer per acre.<<<

I caught a coyote in a fox set in Perry Co in 1979, so they either let them out before then, or they got here some other way.

A bounty is a great idea, but adding the cost to hunting licenses is not. When I was campaigning for the job of Turkey Czar, part of my platform was a $100 bounty on coyotes and everything else that eats turkeys. And I was gonna pay for it the same way the Federal govt pays for everything else - by adding it to the deficit. My goal was to get an army of trappers and hunters into the woods to control all varmits. It would have been a huge waste of taxpayer money, but at least we would have something to show for it. As it is now, they waste our money and we get nothing.

But Mr. Obama won't return my phone calls, so it looks unlikely that I'm gonna get the job.

I heard they brought in some armadillos back then too to control the fire ant population.

I heard they then brought in rattlesnakes all over to help control the armadillos.

My friend who flies black helicopters sent me that info etched on a tinfoil hat.

We do not lose as many to coyote's as you might think. A deer fawn has absolutely no scent. Unless a predator falls over it they do not often fall prey. Vehicles do in more deer by far than do predators. A fawn will scream sometimes when a predator gets it. I have only heard it a couple of times in 40 years of hunting. I don't see as many coyote's any more either. See the hog population exploding in some places though.

i think in certain areas you're losing a large portion of your fawns to coyotes - add heavy predation to habitat loss, competition from hogs and a liberal doe season and you have very low deer numbers in some areas - the only way to effectively reduce coyote numbers is through intensive trapping - some of your better managed properties have made professional predator control part of their management program - on properties with high coyote numbers, predator control can have more of an impact on your deer population(fawn recruitment) than any other type of improvement - as coyote populations boom and more people become aware of the damage they can do, predator control will be used more often - that being said, i don't think that coyotes are a problem everywhere - some areas can handle heavy predation and still produce high numbers of deer - imo a bounty is not the answer - all we need is a state full of "educated" coyotes that are almost impossible to trap or call in - i don't buy into the theory that the govt or anybody else released coyotes to control the deer population - i think as the deer herd and other prey animals rebounded in alabama and other states that coyotes followed and increased with an expanding food source

Based on what recent study do you get your info. I can tell you for certain that coyotes's have a big impact in some areas. I have suspected this in the area in which I live in Walton county Fl but couldn't prove it. I see scat all the time during fawning with deer hair in it. In the last 10 years our management has gone way up and our deer numbers have gone way down (this is without harvesting many bucks or does). You rarely see a mature doe with a fawn (WHY?). There is no explanation except predation. Most of our does used to have 1 or 2 fawns, now there is 1 fawn for every 4 or 5 does that you see. My suspicions were validated is a study done in South Carolina where they collard 32 fawns as soon as they were born,(they had previously collard the does and done implants so they knew the exact moment and location of each fawn birth) only 8 survived the rest were killed by predators. Mostly coyotes within the first 3 weeks, the majority were killed the first week or so. There were some older studies from back in the eighties that didn't seem to think they had as much impact, but those studies have been challenged and have been proven to be inacurate. The big question is how do we get rid of the predators? I tracked the 2 mile dirt rd that I live on the other day and didn't find a single deer track 24hrs after the rain. Ten years ago there would have been 30-40 sets of tracks back on forth crossing the road. There is very little hunting pressure in this area. I'm at a loss as to how to get it back on track.

Every state has this conspiracy theory. While there were 3 releases of coyotes that I have seen documented in the state of Alabama (in a figure I pulled out a book a long time ago...I can't even tell you which book or if the data are correct), it probably did nothing to increase coyote numbers in the state. Also, these releases took place in the 1960s, the best I can tell from the figure. The three releases took place as follows: 2 in north central Alabama, and one in Southeast Alabama.

In short, the coyotes were here well before the 1980s. The eastward march of coyotes from the plains states is well documented, and is a result of the elimination of the red wolf from the region. The same eastward movement of coyotes took place north of the Ohio River about 30 years earlier when gray wolves were eliminated form the region.