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Bright Eyes
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Why wouldn't it work, Kodiak? (Just asking.) It would be voluntary so if it didn't work for a minority of people, why not take a chance and satisfy a majority of those that want to hunt in Feb. More restrictions? It's voluntary. If you don't like these minor restrictions, go fishing.
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Booner
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Why wouldn't it work, Kodiak? (Just asking.) It would be voluntary so if it didn't work for a minority of people, why not take a chance and satisfy a majority of those that want to hunt in Feb. More restrictions? It's voluntary. If you don't like these minor restrictions, go fishing.
Have you talked to your legislators about it? They would need to file a bill and let it go through the legislative process to legally do what you're talking about and giving it the force and effect of law. If you're not willing to do that, go fishing. Constitution of Alabama 1901
Article IV Legislative Department.
SECTION 44
Composition of legislature.
The legislative power of this state shall be vested in a legislature, which shall consist of a senate and a house of representatives.
SECTION 45
Style of laws; division of laws; laws restricted to one subject; amendment or revival of laws by title only.
The style of the laws of this state shall be: "Be it enacted by the legislature of Alabama," which need not be repeated, but the act shall be divided into sections for convenience, according to substance, and the sections designated merely by figures. Each law shall contain but one subject, which shall be clearly expressed in its title, except general appropriation bills, general revenue bills, and bills adopting a code, digest, or revision of statutes; and no law shall be revived, amended, or the provisions thereof extended or conferred, by reference to its title only; but so much thereof as is revived, amended, extended, or conferred, shall be re-enacted and published at length.
SECTION 61
Laws to be passed by bills; restrictions on amendments to bills.
No law shall be passed except by bill, and no bill shall be so altered or amended on its passage through either house as to change its original purpose.
SECTION 62
Referral of bills to standing committees.
No bill shall become a law until it shall have been referred to a standing committee of each house, acted upon by such committee in session, and returned therefrom, which facts shall affirmatively appear upon the journal of each house.
SECTION 63
Number of readings for bills; recordation of votes on bills; majority vote required for passage of bills.
Every bill shall be read on three different days in each house, and no bill shall become a law, unless on its final passage it be read at length, and the vote be taken by yeas and nays, the names of the members voting for and against the same be entered upon the journals, and a majority of each house be recorded thereon as voting in its favor, except as otherwise provided in this Constitution.
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Saw 4 bucks chasing does in Henry County on Feb 5th I hope they change it to encompass us also....
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Bright Eyes
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Had a buddy see a buck chasing 6 does near the Auburn Fisheries yesterday. Of course, there will be some chasing through March if things go as they have in the past.
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Booner
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It's voluntary. If you don't like these minor restrictions, go fishing.
Those minor restrictions do not exist... So maybe you should go fishing! Having "individuals" pick their days to hunt during a season that has closed would be impossible for LEO's to keep tabs on. My point is why impose MORE rules for hunting. There are enough restrictions already. Maybe just go south and hunt the zone that already has FEB hunting??
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Bright Eyes
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If the license to hunt in Feb. already had the days on it, it "could" be checked by LEO's.
The reason for rules and regulations is to make the 2 day Feb. hunt a special deal (a trophy hunt) giving the LEO's ammunition to make a case if they need to and more than anything appease the state and hunters that think it will be armageddon to have Feb. hunting.
Like the suggestions in the game laws. This would enable hunters and the DCNR to gauge some of the impact on a smaller scale. Heck, if they want to name 2 days in a weekend and not worry about those who work then, let them do it and feel the wrath. As far as hunting south Alabama, I have no place to hunt, won't go to management areas after an event that happened at Coosa quite a few years ago.
Maybe we could open up the February hunting for 15 days, wherever. I'd be all for that.
The CAB makes that decision and I really don't think they know the impact of Feb. hunting. This was a way for them to stick their toes in the water and have something to make a decision. I also think that the "out of season" hunting that already goes on impacts the deer herd more than February hunting. You don't want to hunt Feb. Don't hunt.
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Booner
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I think it would be easier to lobby to extend the rest of the states hunt dates than for that personally.
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I too think that the season should start later and got into Feb state wide. NO! If an adult cant kill a mature buck with all the days we have he isn't spending enough time in the woods or there just aren't any where he is hunting! Bow season should open earlier!!! There should be a youth weekend the following weekend after deer season closes along with the one we have already. That way the kids can get in on the late rut areas without the adults jacking it up! Just my opinion!!!!! AGAIN I SAY ... With all the days/months we have to hunt you still cant see a mature buck? Rut or no rut they are either there or they are not. If we keep this up they will only shorten the whole season. Ask for more rules and regs and that is what you will get. NEVER IN OUR FAVOR!!!!!!!
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Bright Eyes
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Kodiak, I would agree to that, but I see how slow things move. Roscoe, you don't know chit about us and where we hunt, and all of a sudden you are everybody's expert. Can I hire you as a consultant?
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I saw a nice buck with a doe this morning in Troy.
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AGAIN I SAY ... With all the days/months we have to hunt you still cant see a mature buck? Rut or no rut they are either there or they are not. If we keep this up they will only shorten the whole season. Ask for more rules and regs and that is what you will get. NEVER IN OUR FAVOR!!!!!!! [/quote]
Maybe it's not just killing a mature buck that most want. Maybe it's the experience of hunting DURING the rut. It's definitely a great experience. And you say "NEVER IN OUR FAVOR"... Pretty sure the southern zones hunt in FEB now.
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I'm glad ya'll got it, most of us in NA were getting tired of the whining. I live and hunt in the SW zone, and even I was tired of the whining. Quite honestly, I haven't really seen anything very impressive as far as MATURE bucks being killed in February yet. One or two, but most that I've seen killed thus far have been piss-ants. People have a right to kill whatever they want...fine by me if it's "club legal" or whatever where you hunt. But, some of the same ones who pissed and moaned the most about wanting February hunting so they could have a better chance at "mature" bucks, are the ones killing the bucks that would have been mature in a year or two. Hard to have mature bucks to hunt next year if you kill them this year as "juveniles". I'm no expert by any means, but that much I know for sure. This is exactly the case for most! As I live and hunt this extended area also and this has been the norm the last ten days.
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I'm glad ya'll got it, most of us in NA were getting tired of the whining. I live and hunt in the SW zone, and even I was tired of the whining. Quite honestly, I haven't really seen anything very impressive as far as MATURE bucks being killed in February yet. One or two, but most that I've seen killed thus far have been piss-ants. People have a right to kill whatever they want...fine by me if it's "club legal" or whatever where you hunt. But, some of the same ones who pissed and moaned the most about wanting February hunting so they could have a better chance at "mature" bucks, are the ones killing the bucks that would have been mature in a year or two. Hard to have mature bucks to hunt next year if you kill them this year as "juveniles". I'm no expert by any means, but that much I know for sure. This is exactly the case for most! As I live and hunt this extended area also and this has been the norm the last ten days. I disagree. I personally know of 9 4 1/2 or older bucks killed in Baldwin County in the past week (3 of them today) and some others that were probably 3 1/2. However, there were several younger deer killed as well. The extension has made a huge difference here.
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Freak of Nature
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No doubt the season needs to be changed to include as much as two weeks into February, I guess the question is what part of the state. Using the states own conception dates as guidance, it seems the entire state needs to be extended. Average conception date samples show in the following counties the average sample dates of conception:
Colbert County - Jan 28
Jackson County - Jan 23
Limestone County - Feb 9
Madison County - Jan 29
Perry County - Jan 27
Randolph County - Feb 6
Walker County - Feb 3
Because of the various stocking areas of deer with different genetic breeding dates it is almost impossible to break the state into two or three hunting zones to allow the hunters the ability to hunt the rut.
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Freak of Nature
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No doubt the season needs to be changed to include as much as two weeks into February, I guess the question is what part of the state. Using the states own conception dates as guidance, it seems the entire state needs to be extended. Average conception date samples show in the following counties the average sample dates of conception:
Colbert County - Jan 28
Jackson County - Jan 23
Limestone County - Feb 9
Madison County - Jan 29
Perry County - Jan 27
Randolph County - Feb 6
Walker County - Feb 3
Because of the various stocking areas of deer with different genetic breeding dates it is almost impossible to break the state into two or three hunting zones to allow the hunters the ability to hunt the rut. BULL! The study site for Jackson was done on the Jones farm in lower PRV, those deer were stocked from a different site than others released in Jackson Co. Jones farm IS NOT a good indicator of deer breeding in NE Alabama. The lions share of Jackson breeds 1st week of Jan. I hunt Jackson and I hunt both primary and secondary breeding periods.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 02/11/14 05:09 AM.
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Guys, I swear I'm not trying to argue or be contentious, but what's the big deal about hunting the rut? Just an honest question. Please give some thought to your answer before you just fire back at me out of aggravation. Seriously, when you have 3.5 months of hunting, what's the big deal with the rut? At least, what's the big enough deal about it to cause the ruckus we've created about season date extensions?
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Bright Eyes
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People enjoy seeing bucks chasing does.
It's not a matter of "If youse cain't kill one in 3.5 months then quit!" or anything like that. That's a BS reply because everyone's hunting time, method and options are different.
It's the excitement of enjoying and hunting that specific chasing phase of the rut -- which is the entire period after velvet is shed, antlers are hard and hormone levels are high until bucks shed their antlers in spring.
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Freak of Nature
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2Dogs, I'm not familiar with the stocking of Jackson county, but what about the rest of the sample conception dates/areas of northern Alabama?
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People enjoy seeing bucks chasing does.
It's not a matter of "If youse cain't kill one in 3.5 months then quit!" or anything like that. That's a BS reply because everyone's hunting time, method and options are different.
It's the excitement of enjoying and hunting that specific chasing phase of the rut -- which is the entire period after velvet is shed, antlers are hard and hormone levels are high until bucks shed their antlers in spring.
Exactly! Its the time of year when deer behave like they're not in fear for their life but instead in their natural environment. Grunting, fighting, and chasing...its when you can interact with deer and they respond to grunting, rattling, and decoys the best. Most enjoyable hunting experiences.
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