Aldeer.com Forums Alabama Deer Talk Aldeer General Forum Senate Bill 175 - Game Wardens to be shifted out of DCNR to Public Safety

He is a damn idiot too!

Somebody must not agree with you. His senate page looks pretty impressive:

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/senate/senators/senatebios/sd012.html

My bio would look pretty impressive too. It's a bio!

Don't do it. Just get rid of the CAB. Or just let them be consultants with no power. Let the DCNR run itself and be over wildlife and fishery enforcement.
Keep the legislators out of things and the political CAB out of the loop.
And then hire more game wardens and special ops wardens that travel to help as situations occur.
(I guess I covered a little more than the original topic.)

Is this what you're talking about?


That's where most of the political appointees at the DCNR come from. Are they all idots?

Is that what meter maids and dog catchers fall under? If so, then I agree.

49,
I don't have much time to carry on our great debate right now, so I'll try to hit the highlights of you last post to me.
1) I never said anything negative about the constitution. I have problems with abuse of power due to agendas.
2) The commissioner of the Dept. Of Conservation does have the power to regulate seasons, bag limits, and other regulations in compliance with Title 9 and our great Constitution. Check out Title 9-2-6
3) Your 60+ years of hunting, while pretty darn close, is still shy of the period that I referred to. Although, at your age with your infamous wisdom, you should be aware of that era.
4) Your check it out dude post were the prerequisites for a Wildlife Biologist. That is a completely different Section of the Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Division. "Game Wardens" are in the Law Enforcement Section, which is separate from the Wildlife Section. I don't have nearly as much time to pull things off the internet and post them as you do, but if you want to see the prerequisites of a Game Warden look at 70801-conservation enforcement officer. Sorry, but it's not the same section or position. That's a fact.
5) in case you're dealing with short term memory loss, you used the word "SILLY" in your previous post, which I think was....how did you put it....crap!
6) You insinuated when you said, " we hire" that Game Wardens came out of the General Fund. I realize now that not only did you not know that the Dept. of Conservation was one of very few self funded departments in the state, but you thought a Game Warden and a Biologist for the Dept. hold the same title and position. Wrong on both occasions.
7) I'm very aware of the studies that are carried out by the Department of Conservation on both living and non-living wildlife. We have multiple sub-species of deer in Alabama, and all the information that we can gain is vital. Not only to the benefit of the herd, but setting seasons and bag limits to encourage hunting and success down the road. I dare you to crawl off your 60+ years of experience, and ask your local WFF biologists their opinion....probably won't like what you hear!
I've seen the numbers, and what I've said is true. If you've bought a license and/or participated in hunting and fishing then you contributed. As much as you seem to be against change or laws/regulations, one cannot help think you have contributed in other ways.....
Flashing bits and pieces of laws/regs or bringing attention to bits and pieces of certain reports do not prove a thing. One has to know the whole story, and unfortunately use common sense. It helps to know the difference in basic information like divisions, titles, and authorities to begin with.

I'd hope not cause the majority of Leo's I know already think their rambo,they have enough power already! Sorry guys it may piss off a few, but I respect my local game warden more than anyone from any other agency...

I don't know where he went to school and couldn't care less, I don't open your links or read very many of your petty posts. I know of him from some of his other agendas.

goodoleboy,

Here's what I said about the biologists working as game wardens:


49er,


I posted the job announcement from the state personnel dept's website for you to read. It clearly combines enforcement officer duties with wildlife biologist.

If you're too dense to get my point, then there's no need wasting my time with you.

Go learn to type.

49er,
I read your misinformed information just fine the first time. The only enforcement that biologists do pertains to there appointed management areas. They spend the overwhelming part of their time doing wildlife biology, including permitted wildlife studies. The Dept. hires biologists to be biologists. Very few of your actual Game Wardens have biology degrees. You do just enough "research" to make your tunnel visioned arguments.
The laws and regulations , or rules as you referred to them, ARE NOT silly. You know just enough to make you dangerous, which is not very much. As far as your comment about me learning how to type..... what a joke! I thought you said you were in your 60's. I haven't heard a comeback like that since I visited my wife's elementary classroom last week! I think the only density is the diameter of your skull. Many folks, including myself, aren't very impressed with boisterous individuals that have nothing else to do but cut and paste from their self-made thrones!

Actually 9er is right. Most biologists if not all current ones are APOST certified and can/do enforce laws besides on their appointed WMA. Some many not like it or want to but they do. This could change in the future, who knows.

My comment was in reference to biologists, not game wardens. Do you understand that goodoleboy?

DCNR biologists are required to be APOST certified as stated in the official job announcement I posted.




You have posted nothing to support your assertions.

[Type it out manually for us if you hate to cut and paste. Just back up what you say instead of blowing hot air.]

I said that the Dept. Biologist enforced laws primarily on their respective management areas. I realize they could not do that without APOST certification. If 49er wants to be informed, look at the total number of arrests (cases) that the wildlife Section (biologists) had last year compared to the Law Enforcement Section (Game Wardens). 49er, you said biologist spent the vast majority of there time enforcing silly rules. That's just false. As a matter of fact, it would not surprise me if the Wildlife Section loses their APOST certification if or when the Game Wardens are brought into ALEA.

I agree with most of this ^^^^ but not sure about the last bit. Will do some checking around.

actually goodoleboy is closer to the truth

I've never know an enforcement officer in the Enforcement Section that had a Wildlife Management degree, those degree holders usually go to the Wildlife Section as area managers. Most enforcement officers THAT HAVE A DEGREE have one in Criminal Justice or other areas. Most of the enforcement officers I worked with did not have any degree, most had some college.

The part 49r posted about enforcement officers having to have a wildlife management, wildlife biology degree was for the new "hybrid" officers that are really just Wildlife Biologists doing part time enforcement work during deer season. They ain't true "enforcement officers"

the amount of enforcement work that area managers(like Matt) do differs from person to person, from area to area. The amount of enforcement work they do outside of their area also varies from person to person. Some do little, some do a lot.

Where have you been Fred?!? I've been chasing rabbits with 49er all night. At first it was fun, but now...... Anyway, I have nothing against the Biologist, but in all fairness to everyone involved, most of them do very little if any enforcement off there management areas. Regardless, Game Wardens and Wildlife Biologists are not the same. My understanding of Senate Bill 175, is that the Law Enforcement Section will be added to ALEA . They would fall under Public Safety but maintain their identity. The bill is somewhat young, but this could be an issue for the Wildlife Section. That might make 49er happy, but I'm not sure that all or any of the Biologists would be happy. They would lose benefits along with APOST certification, such as hazardous pay. A lot of the DCNR guys/gals that I know can't take anymore cuts in pay!

I've got eddie on ignore so I don't see 90% of what he posts unless i go look at it.

you are pretty much right. Some of the biologists I've worked with over the years would come off the area and help us with work. And no, for sure the biologists do not make as many cases as enforcement folks do, but during hunts on their areas they are pretty busy at the check station. Differs from person to person in my experience.

argueing with eddie is NEVER fun, not because he is right but because he is like a rat terrier on a chew toy. He ain't giving up. and I ain't reading all that crap he cuts/pastes to overwhelm ya either.

note: don't answer to me eddie, yer on ignore and I won't see it.

Well, I'm new so.....

goodoleboy,


Go back and read what I DID post and you will find that you're the one making false statements.

troy is reading what you said I said. He ain't reading what I DID say. He's supposed to have better sense than to let somebody like you lead him off on a tangent, but all the slobering over him by some of the members here latelty must have gone to his head.

I stand by what I've said in this post, ... not what you, or any body else, said I said.

Please do put me on IGNORE. I don't need you twisting what I say to make it look like you're right when your are wrong.