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The only thing I don't like about the three buck limit is if you hunt public land you have only a couple of weeks to shoot a doe. If they want to grow bigger deer they need to make it easier to shoot something other than the first small buck that walks out. I try to be selsctive but when you aren't able to kill a doe during doe days then you have to take whats available. You do not have to do anything. Do not blame taking a small buck on anyone but yourself. If you are proud of it then shoot it. If you are not proud of it then wait for one you will be proud of.Btw shooting does does not make the bucks bigger letting the small ones live longer does that.
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Do the math:
Estimated population of deer in Alabama according to Gary Moody when the qdm limits were being debated: 1.7 - 1.8 million deer.
Kill 35% of 1.7 million to keep at same level = 595,000
Total deer killed during 2009-2010 season = 289,000
Additional needed to keep deer in check = 306,000
We better quit killing coyotes. They're doing our job for us already. Add tags and a bunch of other qdm crap and we might need to import some more coyotes to keep the deer population from exploding. Lord knows more hunting opportunity ain't the answer. You and I both know those are bogus wild ass guess numbers that do not mean anything.
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Ok, here is my question,say a guy is a meat hunter and he does not care one bit about horns. Should he be limited by the state simply because as some on this forum say, he is not a quality hunter. I will not fault a guy if he shoots a doe every day of the season if he wants as long as it doesnt go to waste. I think the trophy hunting elite mentality has done damage to the sport of hunting. I have to hunt in places where there are very few deer because I cant afford the 2,000.00 dollar lease and you can bet your bippy if a spike or a 4 point comes out somebody is going to smoke him because he may be the only one you see all year. Please dont jump on me to bad If the hunters on public land would manage thier resources better they would have the best and cheapest hunting land in the state, but the mentality of hunters on public land is what has drivin most to private leases anyway.
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5,000 acre lease....easy to make restrictions
public land with 5,000 people hunting it....not so easy
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Guys,
Please be careful what you ask for!!!! I have hunted in States where you have to hire a lawyer just to hunt. It is crazy. I love our simple system!
I would like to see buck tags but I doubt they will come. Just to much headache and expense unless they go up on the price of the license.
Just look at some of our sister states, they have archery, dog hunting, muzzleloader, turkey, small game, big game, and they make you buy a dang license for each. Do you really want to start down that road. I say keep it simple and just hunt.
You can control your trigger finger. Exercise it or don't, it is up to you.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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they'll go to a tag system eventually if serious hunters will keep pressing for it - alabama's deer hunters are becoming more quality oriented, so i think it's just around the corner - i'd like to see a 2-part tag system for both bucks and does - possibly even divide each county into quadrants - this would allow for different quotas where needed - the harvest information provided by a tag system would be extremely valuable in managing our state's deer herd "Serious Hunters", you mean trophy hunters. I would be willing to bet that the majority of Alabama hunters would classify themselves as just hunters. They would rather have a simple system like we had before or at worst like we have now. The "simple hunters" voices are not heard because most are not politically savy. They do not have friends in Montgomery. They just hunt. Most ethically. They are the majority.Rich people and city folks influence the majority of changes in hunting regulations. Why? Because they talk proper and have friends. Its time the majority are heard from. We just want to hunt. Just a license and a weapon. That simple.
doecommander out...........................
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they'll go to a tag system eventually if serious hunters will keep pressing for it - alabama's deer hunters are becoming more quality oriented, so i think it's just around the corner - i'd like to see a 2-part tag system for both bucks and does - possibly even divide each county into quadrants - this would allow for different quotas where needed - the harvest information provided by a tag system would be extremely valuable in managing our state's deer herd "Serious Hunters", you mean trophy hunters. I would be willing to bet that the majority of Alabama hunters would classify themselves as just hunters. They would rather have a simple system like we had before or at worst like we have now. The "simple hunters" voices are not heard because most are not politically savy. They do not have friends in Montgomery. They just hunt. Most ethically. They are the majority.Rich people and city folks influence the majority of changes in hunting regulations. Why? Because they talk proper and have friends. Its time the majority are heard from. We just want to hunt. Just a license and a weapon. That simple. You mean the hunters that years ago desecrated the deer population of the state, because they where uneducated and dont know whats best for the deer heard. I understand now. They just wanted to hunt , kill what ever they want to kill and everything will be fine.
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Ya'll can argue all you want about this. In my opinion a tag system will do no more good than what we have now.
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No, that's not what he's talking about.
He's talking about the serious hunters who rebuilt the deer herd during the past century after those before them desecrated the herd for a living. All it took was a little moderation and a whole lot of common sense. You can thank them for the deer you now want to manage.
Deer don't need you to wipe their ass and spoon feed them. Most counties had zero deer in 1900. In 2000 there were 1.7 million... and it was done without qdm and without tags.
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things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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No, that's not what he's talking about.
He's talking about the serious hunters who rebuilt the deer herd during the past century after those before them desecrated the herd for a living. All it took was a little moderation and a whole lot of common sense. You can thank them for the deer you now want to manage.
Deer don't need you to wipe their ass and spoon feed them. Most counties had zero deer in 1900. In 2000 there were 1.7 million... and it was done without qdm and without tags.  Finally someone with common sense.
doecommander out...........................
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For some reason....I like 49er
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For some reason....I like 49er It'll pass. 
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49er i hear there's a big debate going on in Smuteye over the legality of a proposed jay walking ordinance - maybe you can help straighten things out before it gets out of hand - about the time you get done those tags ought to be in the mail
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Do the math:
Estimated population of deer in Alabama according to Gary Moody when the qdm limits were being debated: 1.7 - 1.8 million deer.
Kill 35% of 1.7 million to keep at same level = 595,000
Total deer killed during 2009-2010 season = 289,000
Additional needed to keep deer in check = 306,000
We better quit killing coyotes. They're doing our job for us already. Add tags and a bunch of other qdm crap and we might need to import some more coyotes to keep the deer population from exploding. Lord knows more hunting opportunity ain't the answer. There's no way there are 1.7-1.8 million deer in Alabama. Maybe back in the 80's but not now. I've seen the population in my area decrease over the past decade. I used to see a lot more deer then than I do now, both in the woods, on the roads, and in the fields. The area i hunt in doesn't need a lot of doe thinning. I hunt on 225 acres of family land and I take ONE a year and that's it. I killed one buck this year and may take one more if he's a nice one. If anything my area of Autauga county needs LESS doe days, while the buck limit is just about right. I wouldn't argue with only having a two buck limit. I agree that before any more rules are changed that the every day, run of the mill, deer hunter needs to be surveyed, not these $2,000.00 a year lease hunters. I'd say they are in the minority and shouldn't decide what the rest of us should or shouldn't harvest.
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Guys,
I would like to see buck tags but I doubt they will come. Just to much headache and expense unless they go up on the price of the license.
No need to go up on the license cost, just require every hunter to buy a license. We have 10 times more hunters, than license sales indicate, because there's no incentive to buy a license. You can go for decades without having to show anybody your hunting license. The solution is so simple my bird dog could do the math. 1) Implement a tag system, whereby the tags are acquired with your license, sequentially numbered and issued to the individual. 2) Impose heavy fines for transporting an untagged animal and conduct random inspections at local processors, coffee shops, gas stations and honky tonks. (most of the GW's visit these establishments regular, anyway) 3) Require the filled tags to be logged in by using the EXISTING internet survey site, or the EXISTING tele-check and the EXISTING local retail stores. Unused tags would simply expire with your license. The increased license sales would more than pay for the tags, and the Game Wardens would actually have SOMETHING to enforce.
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I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
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I'm with you Outback!! And willing to help start a petition, sign a petition, etc. to get it going.
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I wonder why Georgia did away with tags while so many in Alabama seem to want to start them?
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I wonder why Georgia did away with tags while so many in Alabama seem to want to start them? Maybe because their bureaucrats overcomplified the process?
I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
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Guys,
I would like to see buck tags but I doubt they will come. Just to much headache and expense unless they go up on the price of the license.
No need to go up on the license cost, just require every hunter to buy a license. We have 10 times more hunters, than license sales indicate, because there's no incentive to buy a license. You can go for decades without having to show anybody your hunting license. The solution is so simple my bird dog could do the math. 1) Implement a tag system, whereby the tags are acquired with your license, sequentially numbered and issued to the individual. 2) Impose heavy fines for transporting an untagged animal and conduct random inspections at local processors, coffee shops, gas stations and honky tonks. (most of the GW's visit these establishments regular, anyway) 3) Require the filled tags to be logged in by using the EXISTING internet survey site, or the EXISTING tele-check and the EXISTING local retail stores. Unused tags would simply expire with your license. The increased license sales would more than pay for the tags, and the Game Wardens would actually have SOMETHING to enforce. I purchased a lifetime hunting and fishing license in '89 so that I wouldn't have to annually remember to purchase one, would you be for the State exempting lifetime license holders?
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Hell no ... no exemptions.
Lifetime holders would have to do whatever would be required inasmuch as tags or check-in is concerned.
All you guys whining about the "little guy ain't being herd" and the state's "deer heard" and whatever else is being carped about, show up at the Advisory Board meeting in February, March and May. Make your voice heard, contact your AB representative and the DCNR guys and tell them what you'd like to see.
Quit bitching about it on a Web site or go do something about it.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
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