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I read the AON cull buck article it made a lot of sense but still what's Yalls opinion on it??? And here's a couple pics of some I'd consider culls but the article got me wandering...   
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Don't know, haven't read it . Give us a linky.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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Culling is based on the fact that you can influence the genetic make up of the herd by removing undesirable traits through harvest. This has shown to be almost if not impossible, especially in free range populations.
Most of what we see in the south is antler malformations due to pedicle damage anyway.
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Culling is based on the fact that you can influence the genetic make up of the herd by removing undesirable traits through harvest. This has shown to be almost if not impossible, especially in free range populations.
Most of what we see in the south is antler malformations due to pedicle damage anyway. This is really all that needs to be said.
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These pics are from last year.... Okay so say I like the trash and characteristics of last pic I shouldn't shoot it?!? Bc a lot of people would shoot him for being a cull but think what crazy rack he might have this year or years to come?!?! Huge non typical?!?
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Culling is based on the fact that you can influence the genetic make up of the herd by removing undesirable traits through harvest. This has shown to be almost if not impossible, especially in free range populations.
Most of what we see in the south is antler malformations due to pedicle damage anyway. X2. Shoot them based on age, not the shape of their antlers.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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article basically reiterated the results of the study that AU did on SOS bucks. It talked about culling is almost impossible in free range.... that does have more impact on antlers than bucks... and killing a SOS buck that is a SOS buck b/c of an injury could actually be a negative since a buck with potentially good genes is being removed for the wrong reason. Also said a possible reason for so many SOS bucks in Bama is b/c with a late rut and fighting in February, there is more chance of damage to the pedicle since they are closer to shedding than bucks that fight earlier in the season. That's been my theory as well...don't see nearly as many in N Bama IMO.
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article basically reiterated the results of the study that AU did on SOS bucks. It talked about culling is almost impossible in free range.... that does have more impact on antlers than bucks... and killing a SOS buck that is a SOS buck b/c of an injury could actually be a negative since a buck with potentially good genes is being removed for the wrong reason. Also said a possible reason for so many SOS bucks in Bama is b/c with a late rut and fighting in February, there is more chance of damage to the pedicle since they are closer to shedding than bucks that fight earlier in the season. That's been my theory as well...don't see nearly as many in N Bama IMO. What does SOS stand for?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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83% of all statistics are made up.
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A spike on one side makes good sausage. I shoot every one of them on my land.
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Culling is based on the fact that you can influence the genetic make up of the herd by removing undesirable traits through harvest. This has shown to be almost if not impossible, especially in free range populations.
Most of what we see in the south is antler malformations due to pedicle damage anyway. X2. Shoot them based on age, not the shape of their antlers. x3
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Culling is simply an excuse to shoot a deer that does not meet one's management goals. It is virtually impossible to alter the genetics of a free ranging herd of deer.
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Pretty much what these^^^fellows said. I think it could be possible, but one would have to identify the trait, have a huge piece of property and take that trait out every opportunity for many, many years and it MIGHT be successful. So pretty much impossible. Shooting a mature 6 point, in your free range herd, every now and then isn't going to wipe out that trait.
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"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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Culling is simply an excuse to shoot a deer that does not meet one's management goals. It is virtually impossible to alter the genetics of a free ranging herd of deer. You are correct,Sir ,on both statements.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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In real life, I would have been a cull. Cull is in the eyes of the beholder in more ways than one. 
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If you want to shoot the deer, then shoot him. Its not going to effect the gene pool whatsoever. However, if you don't want him taking pounds off your other bucks, take him out.
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The way I look at it is that those spike on one side bucks are eating nutrients that could go to a preferred shaped rack buck. On our land we have plenty of bucks anyway. One thing for sure, I don't see as many spike on one side bucks on my land as I did 15+ years ago. That spike on one side in the second picture is obviously an older buck, will probably always be a spike on one side IMHO.
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The way I look at it is that those spike on one side bucks are eating nutrients that could go to a preferred shaped rack buck. On our land we have plenty of bucks anyway. One thing for sure, I don't see as many spike on one side bucks on my land as I did 15+ years ago. That spike on one side in the second picture is obviously an older buck, will probably always be a spike on one side IMHO. I see yer point, but the SOS might turn into a 150" 5X5 @ age 5yrs, or bigger. No way of knowing.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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http://www.ckwri.tamuk.edu/news/news-ite...ults-on-cullingabout the best scientific study I've come across recently. this is part of the King family ranch in TX-the Kleberg Whitetail Center... they know a thing or two about genetics/cattle/whitetails
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