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Bill...Bill...Bill,

Re-read my posts again. I didn't say anything about you hunting your own land. I said your home turf meaning your lease you mentioned earlier in this thread.

Also, I didn't imply anything. I simply asked you to share with the group where you got your experiences from about high fence hunting and guided hunts.

No Clarence, we are going for a new record.

I think that hunters try to force their Moral Standards on other hunters to cover up their own inadequacies and falures to achieve success in their own personal hunting experiences.

I, for one, don't give a crap HOW or WHERE anyone else hunts.

Just to throw a little kerosene on the fire, what do you think about pay hunts publishing success rates as part of their marketing ads? The kind where you read "Our hunters have a 99% success rate". Is that saying they have so many deer a blind man could find and shoot one or is it saying "we've got 'em scouted for you, bring the BIG gun". I am referring to enclosure hunts, not guided hunts in free range territories.

I don't have an opinion one way or the other, just fanning the flames of debate a little.

Aren't percentages that high for Caribou hunts? I know it's comparing deer and caribou but....

Some caribou hunts will have a 125% success rate or higher. Some Alberta black bears hunts are the same. Anywhere you can take more than one animal of the same specie on a hunt should be better than 100% success rate.

3Toe,

If you were about to book a hunt somewhere, high fence or not, would you want to know what kind of success hunters in the past years had experienced?

Well sure, I just threw it out there with the slant of looking at it from the original debate going on. If you are given a high guarantee of success then what are you paying for? The guarantee to kill something or the opportunity to use your hunting ability to kill something? Do you get the "let me show where to sit and what time to be ready", or do you get the "we know there's a good number of deer over that way, have at it."

I am not arguing one side or the other, just explaing the question I posted. I've never been on a paid hunt of any kind so I can't comment from experience. Just throwing points of debate based on perception only, right or wrong.

To go a bit further, maybe you could summarize what you do when you take a client on a paid hunt. What do you provide as to expertise of the land/game being hunted, what is the client expected to do, etc. I would love to know because like I've said I have never been on one and have no idea what it's like. If I ever get these kids off to college I might be in the market for a good hunt.

Don't some states require a guide for non-residents?

Another good point.

Your question requires a little more information to answer but I think I can answer you.

If it is a fully guided hunt the guide will typically be sitting, walking or riding with you at all times. Depending on the specie being hunted and the state you are hunting in, it may be required for the guide to be within (x) feet of you at all times.

Typically the kind of fully guided hunts that I do, we will either be walking or riding in a vehicle. (depending on what and where we are hunting) We will be looking for game together until we spot a animal that you want to go after. Once we do that, we will form a plan on how to get you within a comfortable range for you and try to get set up for the shot. (Notice that I kept using we) This is the clients hunt and regardless of what some seem to believe, some hunting skills are required.

Semi-guided hunts are typically a tree-stand type hunt. On all of my hunts of that type, I will have stands in place but I always recommend the hunter bring their own climber, lock-on, ground-blind, etc. I will show you areas that I have seen good game sign and put you in a stand that is already in place for the first few days of the hunt. If you aren't seeing game or you want to move, I can either move you to a stand that is already in place or we/you can go look for a spot that you want to put your own stand.

Unguided/do-it-yourself hunts are basically a trespass fee hunt. I will show you the land lines and if there are stands in place I will point those out. Then I will say good luck and don't shoot yourself and I will see you tonight.

Yes, some states require a guide for non-residents. In Alaska for example, you can hunt some species without a guide but other specie hunts require a fully-guided hunt.

Fred Bear didn't shoot young animals, and failed miserably in his success as a hunter?

As long as it is a legal form of hunting I say go for it if you want to and I will not bash it unless somehow it hurts the surrounding land owners or hunters.

Fred's success rate sucked.

Bgh, I see you finally answered the question even if it took someone else asking it. I guess I should not have painted all guided hunts with the same brush. I was referrimg to stand huntng where the guide is either with you or has put you in a pre hung stand or blind. I'm going to have to dig deep if we are going to keep this thread going. Maybe we can start discussing hunts for black panthers inside very small enclosures while using a .22 ..

There are no such thing as black panthers dumbass.

Billy,

I have a questions for you. What skills are you referring to when you say it takes no skills other than marksmanship?

What skills do you possess that makes you the Alabama whitetail slayer that you are?

Do guided duck and turkey hunts count in the "not a hunter" scenario?

If so, I'm inadequate and have failed miserably. Fishing trips, too.

Damn. Someone have a Kleenex?