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Imadeerhtr,

B&C does actually allow some animals to be entered into their book that come from an enclosure.

They will allow bison that come from two different places. One of them is in Arizona and the other is Custer State Park.

And like Bill said, why do they penalize a deer for growing an antler?

Bill,

I have seen these threads about pro and con fence hunting areas come and go on the board for years now. I said a while back that I would stay out of them because people like you put them down with no basis of fact to work with.

I am in the business of selling hunting trips. I will sale you a trip that is a free-range hunt or high-fence. It doesn't matter to me either way. As long is the enclosure is large enough and that it is a real hunting experience for the hunter and it is an ethical situation, I am not opposed to it. I have been to a few high fence places that I refused to work with but I have been to more free-range hunting operations that I refused to work with. Now you will likely say that my morals are low because I have been to, hunted, and guided on high-fence places. The number of beers I drank directly correlate with my morals.

That being said, your biggest bitch seems to be that it is different and don't anyone dare try to compare the two. That is a true statement but for a lot more reasons that you bring to the table and there is no reason for me to give those reasons to you because they have been mentioned above and you still won't see the point. Why do you have such a deep rooted hatred for this type of hunting?

You also have stated that the only challenge in going on a guided hunt is marksmanship. That there is no skill at all involved in taking an animal on a guided hunt. What happened to you on your last guided hunting trip that made you feel this way?

I have two direct questions for you that you have been asked before and I never saw where you answered them.

Bill, how many out of state or in state guided hunts have you been on?

Bill, how many high fence hunting operations have you been to?

You seem to have a lot of experience with both so I am just curious where your knowledge base comes from.

If you feel like the only right way to take a game animal is to stand naked in the middle of a field and throw rocks at them with your toes, have at it. No one here will say a word about it. Just don't try and tell others how they should or shouldn't hunt.

Bgh, show me one post I have made questioning the ethics our morals of anyone choosing to hunt an enclosure or go on a guided trip. This is obviously an emotionally driven topic for many of you as you have attributed quotes to me that I have not made. As far as the guided trips I have even said that I would and have gladly gone on a guided fishing trip since I love to catch them but I dont have the same passion for it that I do for deer hunting. I will say it one more time .... I dont care how any one else hunts but guided or fenced deer hunting is not for me and I dont care if it was free. That seems to be the part that is eliciting the venom from others. Why so much effort to change others minds who dont want to hunt that way? I have said that my standards are different I didn't say they were higher or that others were lower because of their chosen method of hunting. I know nothing of elk hunting but that is something I plan on doing in the near future. I know of no one who can teach me in the field so I will probably go on a guided trip when I do. If I love it and it consumes me like deer hunting has then I'll put the effort in to do it on my own since I dont get a lot of satisfaction letting someone else do my hunting for me. I hunted last week with my brother in law and he pointed me to my stands. If I had killed a monster I doubt I would have even had him mounted. I enjoyed being in the woods and seeing a different property but it would not have been the same for me as hunting my own lease. I'm not saying the way I feel is the right way or the only way it is just the way I am. hunting should be a very individual thing done for yourself so as long as its legal why worry what someone else thinks of your chosen method?

Let's try again.

I have two direct questions for you that you have been asked before and I never saw where you answered them.

Bill, how many out of state or in state guided hunts have you been on?

Bill, how many high fence hunting operations have you been to?

I will gladly answer so you do the same. I have never been to a lodge one time and a friend payed for it. I have never been in a high fence.

Now, show me where I questioned anyone who hunted either way.

"Bgh, show me one post I have made questioning the ethics our morals of anyone choosing to hunt an enclosure or go on a guided trip." I didn't quote you or say you did say it. I said you will likely say it.

"This is obviously an emotionally driven topic for many of you as you have attributed quotes to me that I have not made." I didn't quote you unitl now.

"As far as the guided trips I have even said that I would and have gladly gone on a guided fishing trip since I love to catch them but I dont have the same passion for it that I do for deer hunting." We aren't talking about fishing, we are discussing high fence hunting.

"I will say it one more time .... I dont care how any one else hunts but guided or fenced deer hunting is not for me and I dont care if it was free." How do you know it's not for you and if it isn't why do you care what someone else does?

"That seems to be the part that is eliciting the venom from others. Why so much effort to change others minds who dont want to hunt that way?" I could ask you the same question but if it is like the other questions I asked you, you likely won't answer them.

"I have said that my standards are different I didn't say they were higher or that others were lower because of their chosen method of hunting." You might not have said it but it was implied.

"I know nothing of elk hunting but that is something I plan on doing in the near future. I know of no one who can teach me in the field so I will probably go on a guided trip when I do." I will be glad to set you up on a guided elk hunt or do it yourself since that is what floats your boat.

"If I love it and it consumes me like deer hunting has then I'll put the effort in to do it on my own since I dont get a lot of satisfaction letting someone else do my hunting for me." Then why go on a guided hunt to begin with?

"I hunted last week with my brother in law and he pointed me to my stands. If I had killed a monster I doubt I would have even had him mounted." You will save lots of taxidermy that way.

"I enjoyed being in the woods and seeing a different property but it would not have been the same for me as hunting my own lease. I'm not saying the way I feel is the right way or the only way it is just the way I am. hunting should be a very individual thing done for yourself so as long as its legal why worry what someone else thinks of your chosen method?" I could ask you the same thing.

Bill, I want to be clear about this. I hold the middle ground on this debate. I have no problem with you or the way you think it should be done. I actually respect your stance, you hold your ground to your beliefs. However, you do have somewhat of a narrow mind set in the way your post come across.

"Im not saying high fence or guided hunts should be illegal or that fence hhunting is not a challenge. I am saying its not the same as free range. your friend has every right to go on that guided shoot and I have no problem with it either but it ain't the same either. As a matter of fact the only skill you need on a guided hunt is the ability to make the shot."

Do you actually believe the last sentence? Where did you get the knowledge to make a comment like that?

Yes, I believe that. If you go on a guided hunt where your stands have been hung and you are told where to sit and you are shown where to walk to your stand then what skill is required? you, snapper and bucksville have tried your best to equate my words with being against a persons right to hunt in any manner of their choosing but I have yet to see the proof. It would be pretty stupid and hypocritical of me to feel that way after admitting that I would use a guide for elk and fishing.

There are many kinds of "guided" hunts.

I've been on some where all it took was me holding steady and pressing the trigger. Then I went back to reading my book. That wasn't a "hunt" at all. It was a killing.

I've been on others where we helped our guide with pre-hunt planning, glassing, planning the stalk, etc. Other than him driving the vehicle, which we could have done, it wasn't any different than 3-4 guys out hunting and helping each other.

Clem, I guess I should have clarified. I am aware that you can go on everything from the guide holding your hand to a do it yourself hunt.

So in the hunting situation that Clem described, did that require any hunting experience?

That hollow thud you hear is my dead horse is getting beaten.........

Which one? The one where he was reading a book or the one where the guide was basically just a member of the hunting party? common sense tells you which one takes some hunting knowledge and which one does not. I understand not all booked hunts are equal. I notice bucksville chimed back in and he just like you have said I have said things or implied things I haven't. I guess since you have both went back and read my post and realized that I didn't say those things you are going to continue in this vein of questioning to try and get the reaction you are hoping for instead of admitting you were wrong.

The story gets better everytime i listen

Call it whatever you want, but its not hunting!!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I like the enjoyment of being in the woods and not dealing with narrow minded nuts that have a one track mind not matter how im hunting. Just sayin

Ya'll sure this isn't an Alabama/Auburn thread?
16 pages....really? LMAO!

The bottom line is this. Bill is a better, more morally superior hunter than anyone that hunts differently than he does. Can we all just recognize this and let this die?

It is pretty clear nobody is changing anyone's mind so it seems pointless to keep arguing. The folks that have never been around a high fence, or any type of guided hunt are still going to have there opinions of them, based upon their extensive experience. With their experience, what makes someone think that something they read on the internet is going to change their opinions?

Personally, I'm done with this. I'm going to go stand naked under a pine tree and throw rocks at deer with my toes. That is what real deer hunting really is all about. Anything else isn't the same.

Ill give you the same shot I gave the other two guys making false claims about what I said. Produce a single post where I made reference to any such claim. Hell, just show me where I said it was unethical or made a derogatory remark in regards to anyone who chooses to hunt a fence or go on a guided hunt . you guys like to run your traps and make accusations but you can't back up a single claim because the proof is right here in the thread. to this point I am assuming poor reading comprehension but anyone else who continues trying to misrepresent what I have said is simply a liar. I'm guessing insecurity and hurt feelings are behind most of the untruths.

High fence hunting is for lazy people that don't know how to hunt