Thanks everyone for the feedback, I looked into the HHA and if I can sweet talk the better half into it I'll try one out see how it goes. I finally went to a drop away rest and got away from the whisker biscuit after a some prodding by my brother in law I went from baseball size groups to half dollar groups from 40 yards in. The savage pendulum is good out to 40 but it really starts dropping off after that, and that Mathews can easily shoot 50 plus with the right sights.