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Freak of Nature
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Todd, you probably werent around but a few years back snapper and I had this same discussion. He got upset when I said the only skill required to kill a deer on a guided hunt was the ability to make the shot. I dont know how anyone could argue anything else unless you call being able to follow the direction the guide points you a skill.
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I mentioned that hunters shouldnt be divided, I dont think my point is lame at all. People are naturally narrow minded and like to do things the way they were raised, the way there daddy taught them. It seems to me that a lot of people on here think that there is only one way to hunt, my way. I am just saying dont be so closed minded. This isnt a debate about morals or God. Its just deer hunting.I think we should all lighten up.
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I've got another question.
How many deer over 150"s have ever been killed off the lease/club/land you hunt?
There are a lot of people on here that hunt a wide variety of properties, some VERY good, some VERY bad. Most are in between. Only on the best properties in Alabama can you consistently grow deer over 140"s. A few might can grow 150's, but they are rare. How many properties that you hunt can grow these type of deer? Again, I don't mean one deer every 10 years, I mean a couple ever year. Even with good hunter management, most deer in this state won't ever be "huge". If you let a deer get to 5.5 years old, he will most likely be MUCH better than he was at 2.5 years old. But, even so, most won't be 150" deer.
For someone who wants to grow monster bucks consistently in Alabama, and has the money to do it, a high fence is really the only way to do it.
Notice I seem to be talking about growing monsters, not hunting them. Because, most of the people who have a high fence are as interested in growing the deer as they are shooting them, probably more.
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I agree, Snapper.
The people that I personally know that are associated with High Fences absolutely LOVE whitetailed deer. They are fascinated by them and have a ton of respect for them!
Most of the people that are so adamantly opposed to them would change their viewpoint if they were financially able to afford that type of management. It is simply a method whereby you can control your management efforts more effectively instead of being at the mercy of the policies of your neighbors.
Both sides have valid points. They just choose different methods to achieve their goals.
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Todd, you probably weren't around but a few years back snapper and I had this same discussion. He got upset when I said the only skill required to kill a deer on a guided hunt was the ability to make the shot. I dont know how anyone could argue anything else unless you call being able to follow the direction the guide points you a skill.
Yeah to me going on a hunt where someone else has done the scouting, hung the stands, and tells you where to sit each day, is a kinda like when you were 4 years old and your dad would put a cork on your line, tie on a hook, bait it, cast it out, hook a fish and then hand you the pole to reel it in. Fun when I was 4 years old? Sure, but as a grown man I'd find that kinda fishing trip a little condescending and embarrassing. I feel the same about hunting that way too.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back.
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Freak of Nature
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money has nothing to do with it. Its a personal choice. Neither position is wrong but they aren'tthe same either and the fact that some are trying to sell it that way tells me that they are a little insecure about it.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
Bama_Earl
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I dont have a problem with it. Just dont try to tell me its the same thing as a guy who does it on his own. Whats funny is to hear a guy come back from a guided hunt and say how hard they hunted.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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IF I could afford a large peice of prime property, and the activities of my 'neighbors' created a severe hindrance to my management efforts.......I would have a fence put up in a minute!
I am VERY secure in that! LOL
Good fences make good neighbors.
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I hunt unfenced property now. But I wouldn't hesitate at the chance you hunt a fence. I don't care what any of you think of the buck if I was fortunate enough to shoot one. Seems to me it's still hunting. I'm going in pursuit. I agree with Hogwild on this.
For the record. I go bass fishing often at a paid lake. I pay a daily rate, and I go and catch bigger fish that I have the chance to catch on the Mobile Delta. I love it. On windy days, it's still hard fishing. If you don't know how to fish, you still won't wear em out. I KNOW they are there, and that to me makes the pursuit that much more fun. I had days where I got shut out, and days I've caught 25 or more 5 pounders.
I don't think anyone is talking about hunting a 20 acre fence full of big bucks calling it hunting. Certainly we know that on 2000-4000 acres with 10 hunters or less, there are PLENTY of places for deer to hide, you will still have to hunt them to kill them legally. The ones you'd want to shoot anyways.
I have a limited amount of time to hunt. I want to have the best chances to hunt good bucks. If that means having a fence around a property to maximize efforts, I wouldn't have a problem with it if I could afford it.
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Bill, honestly, why are you so worried about where others hunt and how others hunt as long as it is legal? What impact does it have on you if someone kills a deer in a fence, or on a fully guided hunt in Texas, the Midwest, or Canada? How many guided hunts have you been on, and how many high fences have you been in? I'm just curious where've you gotten first hand experience with it to form your opinions, and why you even care to have an opinion about it. I'll leave it at that.
Every year, or maybe every few months, there is a debate about high fences, and every time we end up right back in the same spot we started.
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Wtf? I could care less how anyone hunts. why do you care if some of us dont want to hunt in a high fence or on guided hunts? Its been suggested that money is the only reason we dont . That is laughable.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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As long as it's legal and you're not shooting in my direction, I don't care how anyone hunts.
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. How many properties that you hunt can grow these type of deer? Again, I don't mean one deer every 10 years, I mean a couple ever year. Even with good hunter management, most deer in this state won't ever be "huge". A 150 class buck in Alabama should be rare. You guys have been asking a lot of questions. Let me ask one. What makes a buck with big horns a coveted prize? Can monster buck horns be ground into a powder that cures diseases? Nope. Can they be transformed into a miracle fuel that will power your car or heat your house for a year? Nope. They are coveted because they are rare. An animal with the genetic potential to grow really big horns is sort of rare to start with. Then a deer with those genetics that lives long enough to fulfill his potential has probably done so by being a pretty reclusive and savvy animal that is rarely seen by human eyes in daylight. Add those things together and it means killing an animal like that in the wild is something to be proud of. Now you throw up a fence. Truck you in some genetic freak brood bucks or some does artificially inseminated by some prize brood buck. There goes the genetic rarity. Use the fence to keep buck numbers concentrated far higher than they would be in any free range situation. Shelter your herd behind a fence for 5 years waiting for your prize bio-engineered animals to reach their optimal potential. There goes the need for any of them to be reclusive or cautious in order to reach maturity. And? Congratulations!!!! You have now officially stripped away everything that made that animal a coveted and difficult prize to kill. You have a large pen full of huge bucks that are neither rare, smart or conditioned by normal circumstances into patterns of reclusive behavior. Paying to shoot a huge buck at one of these places is, to me, like buying some ex jocks Super Bowl ring off E-bay. Yeah, it's pretty but buying it doesn't mean that "you" won a Super Bowl.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back.
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. How many properties that you hunt can grow these type of deer? Again, I don't mean one deer every 10 years, I mean a couple ever year. Even with good hunter management, most deer in this state won't ever be "huge". A 150 class buck in Alabama should be rare. You guys have been asking a lot of questions. Let me ask one. What makes a buck with big horns a coveted prize? Can monster buck horns be ground into a powder that cures diseases? Nope. Can they be transformed into a miracle fuel that will power your car or heat your house for a year? Nope. They are coveted because they are rare. An animal with the genetic potential to grow really big horns is sort of rare to start with. Then a deer with those genetics that lives long enough to fulfill his potential has probably done so by being a pretty reclusive and savvy animal that is rarely seen by human eyes in daylight. Add those things together and it means killing an animal like that in the wild is something to be proud of. Now you throw up a fence. Truck you in some genetic freak brood bucks or some does artificially inseminated by some prize brood buck. There goes the genetic rarity. Use the fence to keep buck numbers concentrated far higher than they would be in any free range situation. Shelter your herd behind a fence for 5 years waiting for your prize bio-engineered animals to reach their optimal potential. There goes the need for any of them to be reclusive or cautious in order to reach maturity. And? Congratulations!!!! You have now officially stripped away everything that made that animal a coveted and difficult prize to kill. You have a large pen full of huge bucks that are neither rare, smart or conditioned by normal circumstances into patterns of reclusive behavior. Paying to shoot a huge buck at one of these places is, to me, like buying some ex jocks Super Bowl ring off E-bay. Yeah, it's pretty but buying it doesn't mean that "you" won a Super Bowl. 
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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Just wondering whar everybody on here thoght about them. If you have been to one what did you think? I'm fine with high fencing hunting. If a fellow has fun hunting legally...that's all that matters to me. I've never hunted a high fenced area...but would if given the chance. I forgot to post....I hunt for the fun and sport of it. Antler size really doesn't mean that much to me...it's the hunt and just being outdoors.
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Well said Todd1700, I'm glad someone here has an understanding of how these places actually operate.
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Its all hunting to me by different means. Not everyone likes to make man drives, spot and stalk or sitting in a tree stand all day thats what makes each of us who we are. In the end hunting is hunting.
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i'd love to have my place fenced in. everybody around here shoots them out of their back doors though. if i had neighbors who were interested in managing their land a little better, i prob wouldn't. i guess they feel like they're getting something for nothing when they shoot a little six or eight that wanders onto their three acre lot.
i wouldn't think twice about taking my kids to a high fenced place, but i prob wouldn't myself, unless it was mine.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Todd 1700, ...What makes a buck with big horns a coveted prize?... You only have to look as far as the definition of "covet" to find the answer. Wanting something someone else has and wishing they wanted what you have. If you see hunting as a competitive sport, you're missing out on the real pleasures hunting can give you. You can hunt within the boundaries of your own property or lease and find those pleasures if you're willing to forget about what's beyond those boundaries.
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Booner
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And who said anything about horns?
Maybe some people miss seeing 40-50 deer an afternoon?
Try THAT one nowadays!!!LOL
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