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Had a game warden visit my buddy this morning while we were hunting. He has a broken foot and is on crutches so he was in a little pop up just off one of our logging roads on a green field. As he's watching a deer in the trees in the distance to determine if it's a shooter, he hears "hello." Game warden is standing directly behind him. Lucky he didn't get shot surprising someone like that!
He asks from my buddy's license. He doesn't have it because we're on our private property. He asks my buddy if he's the owner and he replied that he's not but that he's family. He asks my buddy if he has any orange with him. He points to the cast and the crutches and says "Do I look like I'm gonna be walking around anywhere?! They dropped me off here and will be back shortly to pick me up."
I know they are required to wear orange in the woods during hunting season (cuz that would give them away!) but that's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Although they'd never admit it, too many people still shoot at movement and "think" they see a deer. These game wardens are walking around in dark green hats, shirts and pants...and people will be up in arms when/ if one gets shot during hunting season! That's just plain aggrevating to me!! And he gave my buddy a citation for not having written permission from the land owner on his person. No telling what that will cost him! Arrrgh!!
Thankfully, he was a nice guy. We've seen too many that aren't.
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I have often thought it was kind of crazy to be out walking around on other peoples property without any orange seems detrimental to your health. Sadly it will probably only happen after one of them is shot. I would want a orange coat or shirt.
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If your following the laws there's nothing to be mad about I'm glad when I see a gw out doing his job. If I'm not mistaken your required by law to have your hunter orange until your over 12 foot up in a treestand
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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I completely agree. If I as a hunter am required to wear blaze orange the officers enforcing this should wear it as well. To me its like the helmet law for motor cycles let the riders decide if they want to wear one, or in this case let the hunter decide if he wants to wear it.
Just my 2¢
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Those guys sacrifice a lot to do their job and yes, it's certainly dangerous.
I really don't understand your point here.
I do not know a soul that shoots at movement or that would shoot first when startled and ask questions later.
It's aggravating to you because the GW may get shot if he's not wearing hunter orange? I'm not saying that you would shoot at movement but if I hear of a GW or anyone getting shot while in the woods and the person was mistaken for a deer, I'm not getting mad at the person who got shot. I'm getting mad at the stupid idiot that pulled the trigger in the first place!!
If I ever hear of another hunter telling a story of shooting at movement in the woods, I'm going apechit crazy chastising the idiot and if he's in my hunting club, I'll do what I can to get the stupid idiot thrown out of my club.
No the GW should not be required to wear HO when in the woods. He'll catch more poachers in camo. I know I won't be shooting at him or anybody mistaking them for a deer!
I tell ya.... people "SHOULD BE" UP IN ARMS IF A GW GETS SHOT B/C SOMEONE THINKS HE'S A DEER!!!!!! And the bottom line is that it's not the GW's fault nor the state's fault for the GW getting shot.... IT'S STILL THE PERSON'S FAULT THAT IS PULLING THE TRIGGER!!!!
Your buddy was breaking the law so the GW was doing his job.
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I imagine you would have been whistling a different tune if that had been a poacher sitting in your ground blind?
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Last week, in four days, I caught four poachers and two were well into our leased land on a fourwheeler in hardwoods with unshucked corn in the front and back racks!!
I support GW's in their stealth and I don't mind getting checked anywhere I am on my lease. I could just as well be a poacher.
So why don't THEY need to wear orange? Sneaking up on poachers ain't easy in HO and again, I sure as hell don't know a soul in my hunting circles that shoots at movement.
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Friend of mine who is a good deer hunter told me a story once about a deer he was watching bedded down in a cedar thicket...... He said it was a hundred yards or so down the mountain and he watched it through binos for a while and decided it was a big doe because he never could see any horns. He decided he would shoot her if she got up and presented him a broadside, otherwise just sit for a while. He said an hour or so later the deer got up and moved.... guy in a pair of brown carhartts over a light grey hooded sweatshirt. Bout ruined the guy from hunting anymore after that.
I had a good turkey hunter a few years ago apologize to me all shook up because I had crawled up on a turkey not knowing he was there and he had drawn down on me and flipped the safety off. Said I sounded just like a turkey walking when I was crawling and he had already caught my movement..... He was about to put it on me as soon as he saw that white head, which thankfully he didn't.
Course that was my fault and you really can't wear orange turkey hunting but it just goes to show you that even responsible guys can have their eyes play tricks on them. No reason to EVER be in the woods during gun season without orange on. It just creates an environment with a lot greater chance of something bad happening.
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 Those guys sacrifice a lot to do their job and yes, it's certainly dangerous.
I really don't understand your point here.
I do not know a soul that shoots at movement or that would shoot first when startled and ask questions later.
It's aggravating to you because the GW may get shot if he's not wearing hunter orange? I'm not saying that you would shoot at movement but if I hear of a GW or anyone getting shot while in the woods and the person was mistaken for a deer, I'm not getting mad at the person who got shot. I'm getting mad at the stupid idiot that pulled the trigger in the first place!!
If I ever hear of another hunter telling a story of shooting at movement in the woods, I'm going apechit crazy chastising the idiot and if he's in my hunting club, I'll do what I can to get the stupid idiot thrown out of my club.
No the GW should not be required to wear HO when in the woods. He'll catch more poachers in camo. I know I won't be shooting at him or anybody mistaking them for a deer!
I tell ya.... people "SHOULD BE" UP IN ARMS IF A GW GETS SHOT B/C SOMEONE THINKS HE'S A DEER!!!!!! And the bottom line is that it's not the GW's fault nor the state's fault for the GW getting shot.... IT'S STILL THE PERSON'S FAULT THAT IS PULLING THE TRIGGER!!!!
Your buddy was breaking the law so the GW was doing his job.
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Had a game warden visit my buddy this morning while we were hunting. He has a broken foot and is on crutches so he was in a little pop up just off one of our logging roads on a green field. As he's watching a deer in the trees in the distance to determine if it's a shooter, he hears "hello." Game warden is standing directly behind him. Lucky he didn't get shot surprising someone like that!
He asks from my buddy's license. He doesn't have it because we're on our private property. He asks my buddy if he's the owner and he replied that he's not but that he's family. He asks my buddy if he has any orange with him. He points to the cast and the crutches and says "Do I look like I'm gonna be walking around anywhere?! They dropped me off here and will be back shortly to pick me up."
I know they are required to wear orange in the woods during hunting season (cuz that would give them away!) but that's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Although they'd never admit it, too many people still shoot at movement and "think" they see a deer. These game wardens are walking around in dark green hats, shirts and pants...and people will be up in arms when/ if one gets shot during hunting season! That's just plain aggrevating to me!! And he gave my buddy a citation for not having written permission from the land owner on his person. No telling what that will cost him! Arrrgh!!
Thankfully, he was a nice guy. We've seen too many that aren't. How does a GW find a needle in the haystack like your situation?
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this whole argument always pisses me off  GWs don't wear orange because ya can't sneak up on a poacher with orange on. Their choice about if to wear it. I wore it on occasion, mostly wore a camo jacket and no orange. I carried an orange hat for those occasions when I thought I might need it or to put on at the last stretch moving in on someone. I knew GWs that wore it a lot, others not so much. Only time I didn't have it on and wished I did was when I got halfway down a stand line on a deer drive and a doe ran between me and a stander 75 yards away.....I hit the dirt and he let em go. Pretty rare for a local black on a drive with his buddies.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Greedy hunters; poachers types; brown-it's-down types; indiscriminate killers/hunters; killers without regard... are the type of hunters that are a part of hunting accidents that involve mistaking humans for game.
My dad told me at an early age that when you see "an animal" in the woods, it has to prove to you that it's an animal. He preached that when you see movement in the woods, you HAVE to assume it's a human first, and not an animal.
He also taught me to make ethical, well-placed shots and not shoot "at bodies".
If a hunter is shooting a mature gobbler... not hens nor jakes, and disciplines himself to take an ethical shoot, he can't make a mistake and shoot a human.
Same goes for a deer. Ethical shots and being discriminate or selective in what you shoot makes making a mistake very hard.
With all that said, I wear Hunter Orange when deer, hog, squirrel and upland game/bird hunting and I'm worried while I'm duck hunting that some POS poacher is going to mistake me for a hog or deer!
Yes, I believe in HO!
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I had a good turkey hunter a few years ago apologize to me all shook up because I had crawled up on a turkey not knowing he was there and he had drawn down on me and flipped the safety off. Said I sounded just like a turkey walking when I was crawling and he had already caught my movement..... He was about to put it on me as soon as he saw that white head, which thankfully he didn't.
Course that was my fault and you really can't wear orange turkey hunting but it just goes to show you that even responsible guys can have their eyes play tricks on them. No reason to EVER be in the woods during gun season without orange on. It just creates an environment with a lot greater chance of something bad happening. Just seeing a white head is not enough reason for me or anyone I turkey hunt with to pull the trigger. The woods can play on ones eyes and imagination and we have to KNOW what it is before we shoot. Can't call a bullet back. Years ago a turkey hunting friend of mine almost died when his pardner shot him with 3in. #4s. He said he seen a white head.
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I would probably not catch a lot of poachers if I was a game warden because my preference would be to wear hunter orange and a lot of it. You hear about people getting shot every year and most of the time it is by people that knew they were in the area.
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I would probably not catch a lot of poachers if I was a game warden because my preference would be to wear hunter orange and a lot of it. You hear about people getting shot every year and most of the time it is by people that knew they were in the area. Mike, I certainly understand. I hate walking around in the deer woods without HO and our LEO's should be respected for taking such risks. They know the risk but catching a poacher when you're wearing HO is very tough. IMO.
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Gentlemen, we are all making the assumption that everyone in the woods are ethical, well taught, well intentioned, law abiding sportsmen who share our views and values. The sad fact is they are not. Just be aware of that and take precautions. It's dangerous out there!
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In MS every GW Ive encountered in the woods had on some sort of orange...
And for the record, we have to wear 500 inches of UNBROKEN (not camo) orange...As long as your still deer wont notice...Besides the fact it may save your life, whats the reasoning to not wear some sort of orange...see people take their kids and the kids look like orange snowmen...for safety...Don't you think somebody fears for your safety?
Don't put up studies that use vague data...Ive seen things slipping thru the woods, and used my scope to figure out what it was, just like everybody else...BUT Ive been hunting more than a few times so I don't even touch the safety....but we all know folks who do....You have the luxury of wearing only an orange cap, which can be removed when you are so high? in a tree...In the evenings I ALWAYS use a light and usually whistle as I walk out...Whistle Garry Own...so there isn't an excuse to think there's a deer with a blinking red light that's part of the US Cavalry...
As far as motorcycle helmets, they save lives, and the biggest reason States require them is because not everyone has insurance and treating vegetables with head trauma because they want to look cool isn't cheap...I don't want to pay for illegitimate love babies or because someones melon bounced of a highway neither...
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Those guys sacrifice a lot to do their job and yes, it's certainly dangerous.
I really don't understand your point here.
I do not know a soul that shoots at movement or that would shoot first when startled and ask questions later.
It's aggravating to you because the GW may get shot if he's not wearing hunter orange? I'm not saying that you would shoot at movement but if I hear of a GW or anyone getting shot while in the woods and the person was mistaken for a deer, I'm not getting mad at the person who got shot. I'm getting mad at the stupid idiot that pulled the trigger in the first place!!
If I ever hear of another hunter telling a story of shooting at movement in the woods, I'm going apechit crazy chastising the idiot and if he's in my hunting club, I'll do what I can to get the stupid idiot thrown out of my club.
No the GW should not be required to wear HO when in the woods. He'll catch more poachers in camo. I know I won't be shooting at him or anybody mistaking them for a deer!
I tell ya.... people "SHOULD BE" UP IN ARMS IF A GW GETS SHOT B/C SOMEONE THINKS HE'S A DEER!!!!!! And the bottom line is that it's not the GW's fault nor the state's fault for the GW getting shot.... IT'S STILL THE PERSON'S FAULT THAT IS PULLING THE TRIGGER!!!!
Your buddy was breaking the law so the GW was doing his job.
If that is the case then why does the law require "hunters" to wear HO. Why do the "masses" need to wear it but not the GW's?
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I'm surprised your buddy didn't get a ticket for not wearing orange.
How else is a GW supposed to make his presence known?
FYI, you are required to have a hunting license regardless of where you are hunting...
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hunter orange not required if you are in an enclosed blind on thew ground and someone dropped you of within 20" of the blind..
a license is not required of direct family hunting on family owned land...
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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