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Originally Posted by deadeye48
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Kyles is not arguing with you about something Jesus said a little child could understand. You still don't have a personal testimony evidently, If you are saved you should be able to give a reason for the hope that is in you. If you aren't saved you cant understand the bible.


i"f you aren't saved you cant understand the Bible" sounds very calvanistic.
im not a calvanist I believe lost people can understand the Bible and get saved.

since you wont answer the question.
billy taught you had to repent "of your sins" in order to be saved.
my king james bible NEVER says that. is says repent which Bibically means to change your mind not turning from sins.
billy taught that repentance means to TURN from your sins in order to be saved.
in other words stop being bad and start being good. if you have to stop sinning I order to be saved then no body can be saved.
he taught people to trust in thier behavior or thier performance.
the Bible says that while we were yet sinners CHRIST died for us.
the folks trusting in thier works are the ones in matthew 7.
billy taught a false gospel that cannot save.

the gospel is simple. for all have sinned and fallen short.
God Himself took on our flesh shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins.
the wages of sin is death so he being perfect paid for our sins was buried and rose Himself from the dead.

all we have to do to be saved is to believe He did it for us the moment you do He applies that payment to your account
and you get to go to heaven because of what He did not what you do.

billy taught works to be saved thats why he got along so good with the catholics cause they believe in works salvation.

salvation is a FREE GIFT no works necessary. you either believe that there is something you have to do or you believe its DONE.

eph 2 8-9 for by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH this not of yourselves it is tbe GIFT of God NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast.
we are saved by Grace which is unmerited favor we dont deserve it.
the object of our faith is Christ the object of the matthew 7 folks is thier works they had not FULLY TRUSTED CHRIST.

if you have fully trusted Christ or believe you HAVE REPENTED.
you have gone from unbelief to belief. that is Bibical repentance

if repentance means turning from sins then you cant be saved cause you aint stopped sinning which is a performance based gospel.

titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness that wre have done but according to HIS MERCY He saved us.

Jesus PAID for my sins im trusting Him to take me to heaven based on what He did not what I do.

billy was teaching people to look within themselves making thier behavior the object of thier faith instead of THE SAVIOR.

This is one of the times I agree with MP
If we had the ability to make ourselves clean then the work of Christ would be to no effect
The cleaning and changing that is done is called sanctification and that happens over a process of time and instantly at the same time of salvation


spot on. I agree. we need to be preaching the clear gospel that Christ paid for our sins.
you being a dispensationalist me being non dispensational will not send us to heaven or hell.

I believe we need to make sure we have the Word of God correct and the clear gospel of the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

satan has polluted the gospel with the calvinistic and Armenian lordship salvation FALSE gospel

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My name is Simpleman and I support the above posts.
The only thing I would add to MP’s post is that lost people need the Holy Spirit to be saved. We all need the Holy Spirit to understand the bible.

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Well I been building a barn all day. About 90 % of your post I agree with but you got way off topic to what we were talking about. Any body that knows anything about the Bible knows Jesus died for all sins. But how did you realize you needed to be saved. I still have not got a testimony out of you

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Just caught up on you threads. Dispensationalism you say. So you think the little horn in Daniel was Antichous Epiphanes and there is no tribulation?

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I think you would swallow a camel and strain at a gnat. But that is just me. I am done but I got one thing to say. I miss JWalker something fierce. He had turned his life over to the Lord and you could tell it. I don't see that much in head knowledge Christians. Don't start telling me and am judging because there are plenty of scriptures about how we should act. And the change in us. I don't act nowhere near as good as I should but I must have got something right because the Holy Spirit shure convicts me. And I am not a Calvinist as you said. If you know what I think as you said you would have known that. I done told you CNC said Christians arguing don't look good. I typed a long paragraph but erased it you win

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Originally Posted by kyles
Just caught up on you threads. Dispensationalism you say. So you think the little horn in Daniel was Antichous Epiphanes and there is no tribulation?


no the beast system known as the antichrist which is the mother of harlots or mystery babylon is rome and the pope.
yes things will continue to get worse and we will go thru tribulation till the ancient of days returns.

I never said you were a calvinist. I said your statement sounded calvinistic.
they would agree with you that only saved people can understand the Bible. that is thier non Bibical doctrine of total depravity.

please go back and re-read my long post very carefully.
you will understand that I have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and I am saved.
im saved because Jesus said whosoever believeth on ME HATH everlasting life. God gave me His Word.
I trust Him

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I enjoy our debates on non essential stuff like pre trib versus post trib but we must get soteriology correct.
im very dogmatic on the true Gospel of Grace.

some folks will front load the gospel with works to get saved some will backload the gospel to prove you are saved.
both are wrong. both will not save.

faith is the only thing that works with Grace. faith is the opposite of works it is simply opening your hand to recieve the free gift of eternal life. we are saved by grace alone thru faith alone.
works dont mix with grace.

you are not saved because YOU gave your life to Christ.
you are saved because HE gave His life for you.

there's nothing for you to do its already done.

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one more thing kyles.. not saying that you are but if you are trusting in any type of behavior for salvation I urge you to REPENT.change your mind. and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

I dont know you but I love you.
I know where God preserved His Word and I know the clear gospel of Grace.

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Well if your line of thinking is correct the demons are saved also

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I am going to bed but you might should read the 2nd chapter of James Mainly just the 19th verse. If we are going to just take part of the Bible not the whole explain that. Also in Mathew 23 I think Jesus says he was just sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Pull that out of context and we are doomed. Good night

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Originally Posted by kyles
Well if your line of thinking is correct the demons are saved also

Do demons believe in Jesus in the sense that Mathews is talking about? Or do they just believe He exists?

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I always get a kick out of Kyle’s saying “ok you win” all the time like discussing God is a game you play.

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Originally Posted by Pwyse
I always get a kick out of Kyle’s saying “ok you win” all the time like discussing God is a game you play.

I sho would like to see that long paragraph he supposedly typed out….. Mainly because we all know it never existed grin

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Originally Posted by deadeye48
Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
Originally Posted by kyles
Kyles is not arguing with you about something Jesus said a little child could understand. You still don't have a personal testimony evidently, If you are saved you should be able to give a reason for the hope that is in you. If you aren't saved you cant understand the bible.


i"f you aren't saved you cant understand the Bible" sounds very calvanistic.
im not a calvanist I believe lost people can understand the Bible and get saved.

since you wont answer the question.
billy taught you had to repent "of your sins" in order to be saved.
my king james bible NEVER says that. is says repent which Bibically means to change your mind not turning from sins.
billy taught that repentance means to TURN from your sins in order to be saved.
in other words stop being bad and start being good. if you have to stop sinning I order to be saved then no body can be saved.
he taught people to trust in thier behavior or thier performance.
the Bible says that while we were yet sinners CHRIST died for us.
the folks trusting in thier works are the ones in matthew 7.
billy taught a false gospel that cannot save.

the gospel is simple. for all have sinned and fallen short.
God Himself took on our flesh shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins.
the wages of sin is death so he being perfect paid for our sins was buried and rose Himself from the dead.

all we have to do to be saved is to believe He did it for us the moment you do He applies that payment to your account
and you get to go to heaven because of what He did not what you do.

billy taught works to be saved thats why he got along so good with the catholics cause they believe in works salvation.

salvation is a FREE GIFT no works necessary. you either believe that there is something you have to do or you believe its DONE.

eph 2 8-9 for by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH this not of yourselves it is tbe GIFT of God NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast.
we are saved by Grace which is unmerited favor we dont deserve it.
the object of our faith is Christ the object of the matthew 7 folks is thier works they had not FULLY TRUSTED CHRIST.

if you have fully trusted Christ or believe you HAVE REPENTED.
you have gone from unbelief to belief. that is Bibical repentance

if repentance means turning from sins then you cant be saved cause you aint stopped sinning which is a performance based gospel.

titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness that wre have done but according to HIS MERCY He saved us.

Jesus PAID for my sins im trusting Him to take me to heaven based on what He did not what I do.

billy was teaching people to look within themselves making thier behavior the object of thier faith instead of THE SAVIOR.

This is one of the times I agree with MP
If we had the ability to make ourselves clean then the work of Christ would be to no effect
The cleaning and changing that is done is called sanctification and that happens over a process of time and instantly at the same time of salvation

Well said Mathew’s and Deadeye! To God be the glory!

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Originally Posted by rhino21
Originally Posted by Pwyse
I always get a kick out of Kyle’s saying “ok you win” all the time like discussing God is a game you play.

I sho would like to see that long paragraph he supposedly typed out….. Mainly because we all know it never existed grin
Buddy if I tell you it exists you can believe it did. I wouldn't lie to you . We are not very far apart in beliefs. You just are not saved by believing God exists. It says in James the demons believe and tremble. If they know the scriptures then they understand the trinity. I bet since you are so set in your ways you did not bother to study the 2nd chapter of James . You tell me the honest truth now

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Originally Posted by Pwyse
I always get a kick out of Kyle’s saying “ok you win” all the time like discussing God is a game you play.
Pwyse I get a kick how you ask the questions you do when you know the answer. Sometimes when you see a discussion is a stalemate it is best just to drop it.But I have a habit of not doing that. Most people state their beliefs as Mathew's and I do. I still don't believe Billy Graham caused millions of people to go to hell . You believe that if you want to. If you are saved by just believing the first step towards the alter you are saved. The next step would be to talk to God. God is not going to get a rule book out and look at it to make sure you do everything right. God looks on the heart which yall need to understand. If you are saved there will be evidence. I am sure that is incorrect in your mind. Seems like everything I say is. One of these days when I get this barn done we can have a heck of a debate if yall want to. Just pick any topic I am wrong on

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Also you are making a play on words . 4 hundred years of silence and what did John the Baptist preach? What was his message?

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Originally Posted by kyles
Also you are making a play on words . 4 hundred years of silence and what did John the Baptist preach? What was his message?


his message was the gospel

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it is truly sad how much calvanism has spread thru the churches today.
they always say james 2 even the demons believe.
I dont believe kyles s a calvinist but thier corruption has spread so much in the church that he is just parroting thier talking points.
thier pagan doctrine of fatalism that God chose some to be saved is why they go around quoting james 2 out of context that even the demons believe. it comes from the perseverance of the saints part of the tulip.
cause they cant know for sure if God picked them so they back load the gospel with works saying things like well you know if you're really saved if you persevere to the end

I do not believe in the PERSEVERANCE of the saints.
I believe in the PRESERVATION OF THE SAVIOR.

kyles in acts 16 the most important question ever in the Bible was said.
the phillipian jailer said sirs what must I do to be SAVED?
Paul and Silas simply replies.....BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved.
read it! they did not say you have to repent of your sins or make Jesus Lord of your life or give your heart to the Lord.
they said to believe on which means TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST.
and that goes along with what Jesus said " whosoever BELIEVETH. on Me hath everlasting life..

kyles james 2 is about service AFTER we are saved.
dont confuse salvation with service.
discipleship and salvation are 2 different things
salvation is FREE service is COSTLY.

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You are up early must not sleep much like me. In those days came John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness Saying repent ye for the kingdom of heaven is at hand . That is what the scriptures say. You are correct about the Gospel. But Jesus dying for your sins is what saves you. The blood on the door post in Egypt made the death angel Passover thus the word Passover. Jesus was alive in Johns day. Listen we agree on most things. I dont believe though Billy Graham sent anybody to hell and rejection of Christ and the blood sacrifice is why you go to hell. I worked with some free holiness people about 45 years ago. One of their church members got caught in adultery. They threw here out of the church and she committed suicide. I learned then I did not have much respect for someone telling someone they are going to hell because of what some man says. Let me repeat again the rejection of the shed blood of Christ sends you to hell. If a person sincerely comes to Christ he will not be turned away. That would be contrary to the character of God. Seems like I remember Jesus dealing with a woman caught in adultery he handled it in a much different way. How many rules were added to the law by mans Ideals. If you love the Lord you will understand he loved man enough to die for him he is not legalistic like men. He says whosoever will come to Jesus shall be saved. Quit judging people hearts and leave that to God. Coming to Jesus is not like going before a judge with 2 high dollar lawyers like yall make it out to be. As CNC says no wander people get confused. I got to go fill me cooler with water and ice and get on my buddys barn. So I am not avoiding answering questions I am just a busy man. Tell somebody Jesus died for them today and you will feel better. I would love to have a study about the second chapter of Janes one day it is very very deep

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