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Originally Posted by kyles
Well he is always popping in on Bible threads telling people they dont know what they are talking about. Funny thing he has never had a positive word for anything or anyone. He also said Billy Graham was going to Hell for preaching repentance. After 400 years of silence John The Baptist appeared preaching the same thing . All I asked him was to give his testimony since he wants to talk about the Bible so much. That makes about 4 times at least I have asked that question. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean you are judging. It may mean you have discernment. Yall have swallowed a lot of false doctrine in the last few years. You run down Israel and worry yourselves to death about what's happening. He may be the best Christian that ever lived. But if you are you will have a better attitude and become a new creature. You will also not pull a verse out of the Bible and disregard the main theme. Did you know in Mathew Jesus said he was sent to the lost house of Israel. Now if I based my belief on that I would be very wrong. Also when you tell me the little horn in Daniel was Antioch Epiphanies you are wrong . He was a type of the Antichrist but not the one in the tribulation. 200 years after his death Jesus told of the one to come. Could not have been him. He had been dead 200 years. Well I am going to bed. I said I was not going to get wound up like that anymore but it didn't cost you anything. Sorry driveby lol. Good night

I believe you have to repent Bibicaly to be saved.but billy graham did not preach bibical repentance

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You can also tell the ones that support a pedo protector
I thought you said you voted for him...

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Did John the Baptist

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You can also tell the ones that support a pedo protector
I thought you said you voted for him...
I did vote for him, then he changed his stance

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I dont understand why Trump is protecting Hillary Clinton and half the Democrat party leadership by not fully prosecuting the Epstein files and going after the auto-pen. I guess they are on the same team.
Trump wont even talk about going after George Soros for funding terrorism. Maybe we were wrong about Soros funding terrorist riots in major cities.


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Originally Posted by kyles
Did John the Baptist

yes john preached Bibical repentance. he was preaching the Gospel thru baptism that the messiah would die be buried and rise again for the forgiveness of sin and when he saw Jesus coming he said behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

billy graham did not teach Bibical repentance. he taught a works based man centered gospel that cannot save.
he was also very ecumenical with rome and had catholic priest and ni
uns at his crusades. he was also a universalist.look up the interview he did with Robert shuler.

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I guess you missed Mathew 3:2 and many more verses . Let's just let it go we have had this argument many times

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Originally Posted by kyles
I guess you missed Mathew 3:2 and many more verses . Let's just let it go we have had this argument many times

i done told u I believe you must repent. im not arguing with you.i believe that verse but what billy taught was not the Bibical definition of repentance. what he taught was the pagan catholic form which cannot save.

2 cor 11:3. but i fear lest by any means as the serpent beguiled eve through his subtilty so you MINDS should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY that is in CHRIST.

what do believe repentance is kyles?

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Billy Graham said dogs don’t go to heaven

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Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
Originally Posted by kyles
I guess you missed Mathew 3:2 and many more verses . Let's just let it go we have had this argument many times

i done told u I believe you must repent. im not arguing with you.i believe that verse but what billy taught was not the Bibical definition of repentance. what he taught was the pagan catholic form which cannot save.

2 cor 11:3. but i fear lest by any means as the serpent beguiled eve through his subtilty so you MINDS should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY that is in CHRIST.

what do believe repentance is kyles?
I give. I guess I need to study some of them books yall read and not the Bible. Is any denomination correct in your opinion

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There’s an estimated 47,300 Christian denominations
There’s one problem right there
It ain’t that complicated

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Billy Graham said dogs don’t go to heaven
Hank said if Heaven ain't a lot like Dixie I don't want to go. I don't think nobody is going after I joined Aldeer

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Originally Posted by jmj120
There’s an estimated 47,300 Christian denominations
There’s one problem right there
It ain’t that complicated
About half of those denominations are represented on Aldeer...


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So if you don’t repent, you aren’t saved? Or you were saved and then you lose it? At what point does the salvation start and stop? Is it a blanket repentance? Or a repentance from every single little thought? If I repent and then take two steps and have a selfish thought… do I then go to hell if I don’t repent from that selfishness? How do you repent from selfishness (which is what every sin is rooted in… my wants over God’s will)? So I stop being selfish, which is repentance… now I’m saved again? Then a selfish thought comes in and I’m lost again… until I stop being selfish… then I’m saved again?

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So if you don’t repent, you aren’t saved? Or you were saved and then you lose it? At what point does the salvation start and stop? Is it a blanket repentance? Or a repentance from every single little thought? If I repent and then take two steps and have a selfish thought… do I then go to hell if I don’t repent from that selfishness? How do you repent from selfishness (which is what every sin is rooted in… my wants over God’s will)? So I stop being selfish, which is repentance… now I’m saved again? Then a selfish thought comes in and I’m lost again… until I stop being selfish… then I’m saved again?


im trying to get kyles to tell me what he thinks repentance is i know what he gonna say then im going to explain BIBICAL repentance

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Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
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So if you don’t repent, you aren’t saved? Or you were saved and then you lose it? At what point does the salvation start and stop? Is it a blanket repentance? Or a repentance from every single little thought? If I repent and then take two steps and have a selfish thought… do I then go to hell if I don’t repent from that selfishness? How do you repent from selfishness (which is what every sin is rooted in… my wants over God’s will)? So I stop being selfish, which is repentance… now I’m saved again? Then a selfish thought comes in and I’m lost again… until I stop being selfish… then I’m saved again?


im trying to get kyles to tell me what he thinks repentance is i know what he gonna say then im going to explain BIBICAL repentance

10/4. I think I know where you are going with this then.

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Kyles is not arguing with you about something Jesus said a little child could understand. You still don't have a personal testimony evidently, If you are saved you should be able to give a reason for the hope that is in you. If you aren't saved you cant understand the bible.

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Originally Posted by kyles
Kyles is not arguing with you about something Jesus said a little child could understand. You still don't have a personal testimony evidently, If you are saved you should be able to give a reason for the hope that is in you. If you aren't saved you cant understand the bible.


i"f you aren't saved you cant understand the Bible" sounds very calvanistic.
im not a calvanist I believe lost people can understand the Bible and get saved.

since you wont answer the question.
billy taught you had to repent "of your sins" in order to be saved.
my king james bible NEVER says that. is says repent which Bibically means to change your mind not turning from sins.
billy taught that repentance means to TURN from your sins in order to be saved.
in other words stop being bad and start being good. if you have to stop sinning I order to be saved then no body can be saved.
he taught people to trust in thier behavior or thier performance.
the Bible says that while we were yet sinners CHRIST died for us.
the folks trusting in thier works are the ones in matthew 7.
billy taught a false gospel that cannot save.

the gospel is simple. for all have sinned and fallen short.
God Himself took on our flesh shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins.
the wages of sin is death so he being perfect paid for our sins was buried and rose Himself from the dead.

all we have to do to be saved is to believe He did it for us the moment you do He applies that payment to your account
and you get to go to heaven because of what He did not what you do.

billy taught works to be saved thats why he got along so good with the catholics cause they believe in works salvation.

salvation is a FREE GIFT no works necessary. you either believe that there is something you have to do or you believe its DONE.

eph 2 8-9 for by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH this not of yourselves it is tbe GIFT of God NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast.
we are saved by Grace which is unmerited favor we dont deserve it.
the object of our faith is Christ the object of the matthew 7 folks is thier works they had not FULLY TRUSTED CHRIST.

if you have fully trusted Christ or believe you HAVE REPENTED.
you have gone from unbelief to belief. that is Bibical repentance

if repentance means turning from sins then you cant be saved cause you aint stopped sinning which is a performance based gospel.

titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness that wre have done but according to HIS MERCY He saved us.

Jesus PAID for my sins im trusting Him to take me to heaven based on what He did not what I do.

billy was teaching people to look within themselves making thier behavior the object of thier faith instead of THE SAVIOR.

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Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
Originally Posted by kyles
Kyles is not arguing with you about something Jesus said a little child could understand. You still don't have a personal testimony evidently, If you are saved you should be able to give a reason for the hope that is in you. If you aren't saved you cant understand the bible.


i"f you aren't saved you cant understand the Bible" sounds very calvanistic.
im not a calvanist I believe lost people can understand the Bible and get saved.

since you wont answer the question.
billy taught you had to repent "of your sins" in order to be saved.
my king james bible NEVER says that. is says repent which Bibically means to change your mind not turning from sins.
billy taught that repentance means to TURN from your sins in order to be saved.
in other words stop being bad and start being good. if you have to stop sinning I order to be saved then no body can be saved.
he taught people to trust in thier behavior or thier performance.
the Bible says that while we were yet sinners CHRIST died for us.
the folks trusting in thier works are the ones in matthew 7.
billy taught a false gospel that cannot save.

the gospel is simple. for all have sinned and fallen short.
God Himself took on our flesh shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins.
the wages of sin is death so he being perfect paid for our sins was buried and rose Himself from the dead.

all we have to do to be saved is to believe He did it for us the moment you do He applies that payment to your account
and you get to go to heaven because of what He did not what you do.

billy taught works to be saved thats why he got along so good with the catholics cause they believe in works salvation.

salvation is a FREE GIFT no works necessary. you either believe that there is something you have to do or you believe its DONE.

eph 2 8-9 for by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH this not of yourselves it is tbe GIFT of God NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast.
we are saved by Grace which is unmerited favor we dont deserve it.
the object of our faith is Christ the object of the matthew 7 folks is thier works they had not FULLY TRUSTED CHRIST.

if you have fully trusted Christ or believe you HAVE REPENTED.
you have gone from unbelief to belief. that is Bibical repentance

if repentance means turning from sins then you cant be saved cause you aint stopped sinning which is a performance based gospel.

titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness that wre have done but according to HIS MERCY He saved us.

Jesus PAID for my sins im trusting Him to take me to heaven based on what He did not what I do.

billy was teaching people to look within themselves making thier behavior the object of thier faith instead of THE SAVIOR.

This is one of the times I agree with MP
If we had the ability to make ourselves clean then the work of Christ would be to no effect
The cleaning and changing that is done is called sanctification and that happens over a process of time and instantly at the same time of salvation


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