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I’m a sample size of one, but one of my trucks was stolen and then recovered and suspect arrested about an hour later because of Flock cameras.
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Waze recently updated their app to show flock cameras. I noticed it the last time I drove to downtown Huntsville. Got home and opened the app on my phone to see all the new features. Plus I can now turn off railroad crossings and other annoying notifications. I use Waze simply because it will alert you to speed traps, but I really dislike it. I can't prove it, but I'm convinced companies pay Waze to divert you toward their businesses even if it's not the fastest route. I've experienced multiple instances, personally, where it had me routed a certain way that I thought "No way that's the best route", so I diverted from the route and went a different way. As soon as it recalculated, my ETA would be shorter...by several minutes in some cases. I've also noticed that if you're travelling with other people, going to the same place, it'll often send you on slightly different routes even though the starting point and finishing point are identical and you're leaving at the same time. I suspect it uses internet browsing habits to route you toward things it thinks you'd be interested in, even if it's a little slower I've had the same experience and have come to the same conclusion.
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Waze recently updated their app to show flock cameras. I noticed it the last time I drove to downtown Huntsville. Got home and opened the app on my phone to see all the new features. Plus I can now turn off railroad crossings and other annoying notifications. I use Waze simply because it will alert you to speed traps, but I really dislike it. I can't prove it, but I'm convinced companies pay Waze to divert you toward their businesses even if it's not the fastest route. I've experienced multiple instances, personally, where it had me routed a certain way that I thought "No way that's the best route", so I diverted from the route and went a different way. As soon as it recalculated, my ETA would be shorter...by several minutes in some cases. I've also noticed that if you're travelling with other people, going to the same place, it'll often send you on slightly different routes even though the starting point and finishing point are identical and you're leaving at the same time. I suspect it uses internet browsing habits to route you toward things it thinks you'd be interested in, even if it's a little slower Google maps does the same thing. But it's not routing me through or near businesses. My son and I are convinced it's using us to map streets and alternative routes for some reason. Not sure why. Waze is less prone to do that in my opinion. I turn maps on even if I don't need it. Just to see where it tries to take me. I silence it though.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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I’m a sample size of one, but one of my trucks was stolen and then recovered and suspect arrested about an hour later because of Flock cameras. Age old debate... does the ability to provide help in these situations outweigh the abuses opened up by unethical people? I would probably be for the cameras IF access was extremely limited. Obviously, at this point, if regular police officers can access information, that's a problem.
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In Atlanta, where the Flock home office is and probably the most flock cameras it has not showed any improvement to crime solving and prevention. However, several police officers have gotten in trouble for misusing the system. Its just a surveillance tool being used to monitor perfectly innocent everyday people. What is your source that it has “not showed any improvement to crime solving and prevention”. Here you go. https://atlpresscollective.com/2026/07/28/flock-cameras-atlanta-clearance-rates/ Flock, Ring and Atlanta’s network of more than 28,000 integrated cameras haven’t improved city’s crime clearance rates
Despite an eightfold increase in the number of cameras integrated into the city’s Connect Atlanta surveillance program, crime clearance rates have not meaningfully increased, according to data collected by the FBI.
You know enough about statistics to know that is meaningless and does not measure the effect of any one component of crime reduction. That is not an endorsement; just an observation
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I’m a sample size of one, but one of my trucks was stolen and then recovered and suspect arrested about an hour later because of Flock cameras. Age old debate... does the ability to provide help in these situations outweigh the abuses opened up by unethical people? I would probably be for the cameras IF access was extremely limited. Obviously, at this point, if regular police officers can access information, that's a problem. With all due respect to Cynical’s situation (and honest police officers) there’s no excuse good enough to sacrifice your freedom and civil rights. Those who would give up freedom, for the symbolism of security, deserve neither.
I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
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I’m a sample size of one, but one of my trucks was stolen and then recovered and suspect arrested about an hour later because of Flock cameras. Age old debate... does the ability to provide help in these situations outweigh the abuses opened up by unethical people? I would probably be for the cameras IF access was extremely limited. Obviously, at this point, if regular police officers can access information, that's a problem. There are things they can access with a keystroke in their patrol car, like license plate read locations. But for other things like alerts when a plate passes by any ALPR/camera, there's a lot more steps involved to the point that this is rarely abused. The search by license plate manual entry in the tablet, it's open to abuse but it's also easily auditable for multiple queries of the same plate. Agencies should be doing more of that.
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I’m a sample size of one, but one of my trucks was stolen and then recovered and suspect arrested about an hour later because of Flock cameras. Age old debate... does the ability to provide help in these situations outweigh the abuses opened up by unethical people? I would probably be for the cameras IF access was extremely limited. Obviously, at this point, if regular police officers can access information, that's a problem. With all due respect to Cynical’s situation (and honest police officers) there’s no excuse good enough to sacrifice your freedom and civil rights. Those who would give up freedom, for the symbolism of security, deserve neither. I'm in the middle on it. I don't particularly think not having your license plate read is a "freedom." Too much of a good thing is almost always a problem, which is why I'm in the middle on it. I don't take offense to your suggestion that I don't deserve freedom, but you might consider that's a pretty obnoxious statement without more context.
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Did you see where a PI investigated the CEO of Flock? He drives a different vehicle every day and takes a different route to work. Aparently, he doesn't like being under surveillance.
And of course they are selling the virtues of it, they catch a few bad guys, but there are a bunch of LEO's using it improperly and getting busted.
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Did you see where a PI investigated the CEO of Flock? He drives a different vehicle every day and takes a different route to work. Aparently, he doesn't like being under surveillance.
And of course they are selling the virtues of it, they catch a few bad guys, but there are a bunch of LEO's using it improperly and getting busted. That is pretty common for a lot of super rich people. I think it was Zuckerberg I read about doing that a few years ago. Something about the State of California gives you up to 6 months after you purchase a car before a tag is required, so he'd get a new car every 6 months so he never had to have it tagged. I don't remember the details but you get the idea
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Did you see where a PI investigated the CEO of Flock? He drives a different vehicle every day and takes a different route to work. Aparently, he doesn't like being under surveillance.
And of course they are selling the virtues of it, they catch a few bad guys, but there are a bunch of LEO's using it improperly and getting busted. He's scared and that's good.
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The state forced deer processors to become unpaid game wardens. I thought that crossed a line too. But I don’t have the funds to fight it. I thought that too but one of the processors I use hasn’t complied with taking game check #s since the law passed and thus far there’s been no repercussions.
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In Atlanta, where the Flock home office is and probably the most flock cameras it has not showed any improvement to crime solving and prevention. However, several police officers have gotten in trouble for misusing the system. Its just a surveillance tool being used to monitor perfectly innocent everyday people. What is your source that it has “not showed any improvement to crime solving and prevention”. Here you go. https://atlpresscollective.com/2026/07/28/flock-cameras-atlanta-clearance-rates/ Flock, Ring and Atlanta’s network of more than 28,000 integrated cameras haven’t improved city’s crime clearance rates
Despite an eightfold increase in the number of cameras integrated into the city’s Connect Atlanta surveillance program, crime clearance rates have not meaningfully increased, according to data collected by the FBI.
You can blame this on the liberal judges who think all folks who aren't Western European/Northern European descent just need "one more chance!" to do right. They let them loose, and they are criming (new word!) again soon, sometimes within hours of their release. All the maggots in my part of the world immediately start screaming "ADDICTION!" because they know that will land them in drug court, where the liberal POS who wins by a fraction of a percent every election will set them free, to go and sin much more! I really wish we could implement a program where every judge who releases a criminal gets double the maximum sentence if that criminal re-offends.
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The state forced deer processors to become unpaid game wardens. I thought that crossed a line too. But I don’t have the funds to fight it. I thought that too but one of the processors I use hasn’t complied with taking game check #s since the law passed and thus far there’s been no repercussions. The processor I use compiled with the requirements when it started but last year they didn't ask for a game check number when i dropped off my deer.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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I’m a sample size of one, but one of my trucks was stolen and then recovered and suspect arrested about an hour later because of Flock cameras. Age old debate... does the ability to provide help in these situations outweigh the abuses opened up by unethical people? I would probably be for the cameras IF access was extremely limited. Obviously, at this point, if regular police officers can access information, that's a problem. With all due respect to Cynical’s situation (and honest police officers) there’s no excuse good enough to sacrifice your freedom and civil rights. Those who would give up freedom, for the symbolism of security, deserve neither. I'm in the middle on it. I don't particularly think not having your license plate read is a "freedom." Too much of a good thing is almost always a problem, which is why I'm in the middle on it. I don't take offense to your suggestion that I don't deserve freedom, but you might consider that's a pretty obnoxious statement without more context. Limiting freedom is a slippery slope. When it comes to our civil liberties, I don’t think you can have too much. Outback was just using a Ben Franklin quote that applies perfectly to the Flock surveillance state
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