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Another just general way of thinking that would be pretty easy to change for anyone interested in this……and I say that just for the purpose of stating that I don’t mean for any of this to sound like its trying to be forced on anyone……but if you are choosing the path of high end doe management then we would need to start looking at shooting that 140 lb seven year old doe off of our main foodplot the same way we look at shooting a 1 ½ year old ten point buck…..Maybe choosing which young doe to shoot might be a little subjective and we may have to let the rough side drag a little……BUT…..choosing which doe NOT to shoot ought to be pretty easy……That big ol’ mule head we all like to brag about……We’re likely doing the exact opposite of what is in our better interest on a mass scale
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Folks that know don't shoot old does........
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’m not sure if my property is the good property surrounded by the crappy ones or if I got the crappy property on the edge of a good property. I ain’t one to sit around and think on it though. . That’s exactly the conundrum I was envisioning when I wrote the statement below about just simplifying it for the majority….. If you just shoot the young ones and leave your food plots alone then that takes a lot of thinking out of the equation regardless of which side of the fence you’re on……assuming you don’t start capping a bunch of spikes and buttonheads....That seems to be happening anyways though …….How to accomplish that though is another question altogether. For the most part I think you would have to change the narrative on shooting old does versus young and change the narrative on shooting does on food plots, etc…..Basically simplifying the means by which we reach the same ends… …..That would allow dominance to implement a lot of the idea on its own through structure I’m all about implementing dominance. Have you been a bad boy? 
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🤣 no wait. I’m the Implementer not the implementee
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🤣 no wait. I’m the Implementer not the implementee You know something else about this idea that works out really well is that it really doesn’t matter if one or even several of your neighbors don’t buy into it……Lets just say you have that neighbor that’s like………”I’ll shoot whichever gawt dang doe I want to!!!....Let a big nanner head step out there this evening!!.....I’ll blast the chit out of her……yada yada yada” It doesn’t matter and its actually needed to a degree…..There’s a very good chance that he’s not holding the high end property anyways…..but never the less……. whatever he wants to do, let him blast away….. He’s either shooting immigrant yearlings or he’s shooting his age structure out and opening up holes for immigrants……If you’re a high end neighbor then he’s just taking pressure off of your high end does that you're trying to retain….The overall success of this management on a landscape scale isnt dependent on that one neighbor and is actually banking on needing some of those neighbors and expecting them to be there in the landscape around you to help reduce immigrant pressure……. What you need for it to be successful is at least a smattering of high end properties in any given area who ARE buying into it…If the bigger publicly perceived narratives on shooting young does and leaving plots alone were changed…… then by default each localized area is at least likely to have “x” percentage of properties managing for dominance through older doe age structure…..What that percentage may be just depends……Like I said before, as it sits right now I’d say the vast majority of properties….like probably 80-90% ascribe to the exact opposite narrative and the default is to target the bigger older does…..Change that default setting in the public mindset and you’re likely going to install pretty good doe age structure on the landscape where some of the same dominant lines start recycling on some of the best areas for generations……… ……in theory anyways…… 
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Well I’m gonna be pissed if he rides by the camp with a big old slick head in the back that I let walk during bow season. It’s ingrained in me. Can’t help it.
I might have to implement my dominance on him.
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Well I’m gonna be pissed if he rides by the camp with a big old slick head in the back that I let walk during bow season. It’s ingrained in me. Can’t help it.
I might have to implement my dominance on him. Anyone with a sound food plot program likely wouldn’t have to worry too much about it…….If you’ve got enough acreage in food plots that arent just right on the property line then on most years you’re gonna have the same resident doe groups glued to them…..The neighbor may clip one every now again but a good centrally located food plot program would ensure there’s always a base stocking of age structure held intact……The neighbor is gonna have a hard time shooting the old does off the 5 acre plot in the middle of the property
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Well I’m gonna be pissed if he rides by the camp with a big old slick head in the back that I let walk during bow season. It’s ingrained in me. Can’t help it.
I might have to implement my dominance on him. Anyone with a sound food plot program likely wouldn’t have to worry too much about it…….If you’ve got enough acreage in food plots that arent just right on the property line then on most years you’re gonna have the same resident doe groups glued to them…..The neighbor may clip one every now again but a good centrally located food plot program would ensure there’s always a base stocking of age structure held intact……The neighbor is gonna have a hard time shooting the old does off the 5 acre plot in the middle of the property We have a pretty sound corn pile program.
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Well I’m gonna be pissed if he rides by the camp with a big old slick head in the back that I let walk during bow season. It’s ingrained in me. Can’t help it.
I might have to implement my dominance on him. Anyone with a sound food plot program likely wouldn’t have to worry too much about it…….If you’ve got enough acreage in food plots that arent just right on the property line then on most years you’re gonna have the same resident doe groups glued to them…..The neighbor may clip one every now again but a good centrally located food plot program would ensure there’s always a base stocking of age structure held intact……The neighbor is gonna have a hard time shooting the old does off the 5 acre plot in the middle of the property We have a pretty sound corn pile program. 😆
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Well I’m gonna be pissed if he rides by the camp with a big old slick head in the back that I let walk during bow season. It’s ingrained in me. Can’t help it.
I might have to implement my dominance on him. Anyone with a sound food plot program likely wouldn’t have to worry too much about it…….If you’ve got enough acreage in food plots that arent just right on the property line then on most years you’re gonna have the same resident doe groups glued to them…..The neighbor may clip one every now again but a good centrally located food plot program would ensure there’s always a base stocking of age structure held intact……The neighbor is gonna have a hard time shooting the old does off the 5 acre plot in the middle of the property We have a pretty sound corn pile program. 😆 Have you tried supplementing your corn pile program by adding some flavored rice bran? I’d highly recommend you try it. Variety is the spice of life.
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CNC can get some marathon debates going on these threads
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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CNC can get some marathon debates going on these threads The rabbit holes run deep sometimes.......
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Lets watch social media now over the next few years and see if this idea shows up......It'll be some social media personality claiming that they've known this and been managing this way since the 80's...... 
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Lets watch social media now over the next few years and see if this idea shows up......It'll be some social media personality claiming that they've known this and been managing this way since the 80's......  Day 2 slide 78 at Buxton seminar
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He can put those in right after the throw & mow slides…..  I cant hate on Buxton too hard……It’s just the way the world works and I recognize that by letting my thoughts freely run on the interwebs that I’m also freely giving them up…..Its all good though….. 
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Dont hate the players. Hate the game. Hang one out over the plate like that and you cant say or do anything but turn around, watch it go over the fence, and ask Blue for another baseball.
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I have found that peanut butter parfait is the best flavored rice bran. Put it on top of the corn to make your corn pike last longer. I use it like gold bond during bow season. Keeps m from getting chafed and keeps me covered when that old doe comes in down wind.
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I have found that peanut butter parfait is the best flavored rice bran. Put it on top of the corn to make your corn pike last longer. I use it like gold bond during bow season. Keeps m from getting chafed and keeps me covered when that old doe comes in down wind. It's all fun and games until a squirrel runs up your pants leg looking for the source of the smell.
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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