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Originally Posted by Out back
I can take you to an old cemetery that’s a great place for calling turkeys. No mosquitoes there at all. If you step outside the parameters of the cemetery the mosquitoes will tear you apart. Inside the cemetery there’s nothing, no bugs, no flies, no spiders, no mosquitoes, no ants, nothing. I can’t explain it but I like it.

My brother in-law and I found a cemetery like that in Bankhead. We were scouting for deer. This place was covered with turkey sign. I told him there is no way in hell I’m coming back in here in the dark. Just had a weird feeling. Didn’t see anything other that the old natural rock headstones. We haven’t been back since

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Originally Posted by jawbone
This would be how Ouaji (sp?) boards work too. People don't realize they are moving the little thing, but they are.

You're 100% wrong on the witching sticks.


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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
Originally Posted by jawbone
This would be how Ouaji (sp?) boards work too. People don't realize they are moving the little thing, but they are.

You're 100% wrong on the witching sticks.
Gonna back Wiley 100% on this one. I don’t know anything about them wejee boards but I too can use the devining rods successfully. I can prove it and have proven it many times.


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I never heard of a ghost hurting anyone so I don’t worry about it.
Well on our farm was found with a witching stick. Pretty sure you could have drilled any where in that area and hit the same aquifer.


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One lives or visits my home. See her few times a year


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Went on field trip to old cemetery and they used witching sticks to tell sex of the buried. Very interesting

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Originally Posted by ParrotHead89
Went on field trip to old cemetery and they used witching sticks to tell sex of the buried. Very interesting


I'm sorry... I just laughed my ass off. That struck me as funny as hell.


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Lot folks don't believe in ghosts, but post up some off the wall crazy shit in the religious threads that they believe (and we all supposed to believe 😄)

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Originally Posted by Irishguy
Originally Posted by ParrotHead89
Went on field trip to old cemetery and they used witching sticks to tell sex of the buried. Very interesting


I'm sorry... I just laughed my ass off. That struck me as funny as hell.
If it points it’s male, if it closes it’s female. 🤣


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rofl I watch ghost adventures strictly for the comic relief. rofl

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Originally Posted by Irishguy
Originally Posted by ParrotHead89
Went on field trip to old cemetery and they used witching sticks to tell sex of the buried. Very interesting


I'm sorry... I just laughed my ass off. That struck me as funny as hell.


The only way to tell if it works is to dig em all up and look for EOP (evidence of pecker).

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Originally Posted by ParrotHead89
Went on field trip to old cemetery and they used witching sticks to tell sex of the buried. Very interesting

Sometimes people get mad at me for looking at them like they are stupid.


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I absolutely positively believe in witching sticks - I have seen it several times with buried electrical lines..

A guy I worked with was talking about using copper wire to find underground power lines and data lines - I called BS and had THE GUY standing there with a GPR to mark the line. So like any good redneck - I said laughed and said, "show me", that guy was absolutely spot on. I will say this - the guys was NEVER wrong, but we required the GPR for validation.

I tried the same exact technique, same wires, same everything as far as I know AND failed miserably even with the guys coaching. I think there are some people that can do it and some of us can't.


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Divining rods do work
I watched a man do this with a peach limb and he found 3 places but only one was strong enough to drill for water and he told me how deep the first vein of water would be…he was spot on
We hit water at 3 different depths and stopped at 125’
Water swelled up to within 10’ of the top of the well
I’ve heard many ghost stories over the years but never seen anything though I’ve seen and heard things that I still don’t have an explanation for


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Nope, never believed in them or been spooked by graveyards.
Lot of folks have died in my grandmothers house. Nothing….


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I do. I've experience a lot of weird things. I don't go looking for stuff. But I damned sure pay attention to my surroundings.

Two years ago I'm inspecting an old old home in Tuscaloosa. I've got a trainee with me. Not a kid. A grown man with 5 kids. Active Duty Firefighter I'm training to become an inspector for his side work. Very down to earth, humble, god fearing family man. One of the best men I've ever been around.

So it's earlier than the 8am time the electronic lockbox will let us in. So we are working the exterior. Get done and since they had an exterior stairwell to the basement, and that door was unlocked, we went ahead and went to the basement.
We are working our way through all the basement things when we hear a very loud, heavy seat of foot steps. This alarmed us because the house was supposed to be vacant. The foot steps walked across the home, front to back.

So he and I are eyes locked, either we were lied to the house was vacant, or squatters were present. But one thing was for sure. The lock box was locked, the front and back doors were locked. I went to the front, he went to the back and verified. The door to the top of the stairs from the basement was also locked. So someone had obviously entered with a second key, walked in, locked the door behind them and was inside the home. I ring the bell. I knock, he knocks and nobody answers. No furniture or people visible through the windows. A few minutes later we open the lockbox at 8a sharp. I'm armed, so is he. I ease into the front and he watches the back. Nobody home. The house is vacant.

So, please, with some sort of science, explain to me that experience. Because neither of us could.

I've had similar experiences inspecting crawlspaces and so has my son. Multiple times. Footsteps and creaking floor boards and dust dropping on you as something or someone walks right over where you are. House locked. Vacant. Verified.

One of my favorite finds was in an attic. I looked down at the scuttle hole cover as I enter. Someone has written a note and left it. "This house is definitely NOT haunted." I took a photo of it and posted to my business page with my own note. "That's exactly what I'd expect a ghost to write." My son inspected that house again a few years later and found that same note. I recon it will be there longer than I'll be breathing.


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Jesus mentioned ghost so they must exist

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We did an experiment at work one day. We were out laying under ground utilities on Redstone Arsenal and had about 8 guys on our crew that day helping us. Old man got out a 2 sets of handmade dowsing rods and everyone used them to find a water line that had been installed decades earlier. We knew exactly where the waterline was cause we had the blue prints in our hand. Only one man read the prints so nobody knew where the line was and we didn't even know there was a line.

One set of rods were full copper and the other set were made from coat hangers.

Everyone that believed in the possibility of them working had them cross in their hand in the exact location. The ones that said it wouldn't work, theirs never moved.


We done this for years and it was the same each time.


Cool experiment.

The power of the human mind and the human consciousness is, I believe, an incredibly misunderstood and possibly underutilized part of our reality. I know both the CIA and the KGB have studied it for a long time, but both for nefarious reasons unfortunately.

Carl Jung delved into the inner self, so-called shadow theory.

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This is the one and only article you'll ever need on the shadow integration process. I'll cover Carl Jung's whole theory, from his model of the psyche, psychodynamics, complexes, and a step-by-step to integrate the shadow. Everything is based on Carl Jung's original ideas.

The Definitive Shadow Work Guide (By a Jungian Therapist)

# This is the one and only article you'll ever need on the shadow integration process. I'll cover Carl Jung's whole theory, from his model of the psyche, psychodynamics, complexes, and a step-by-step to integrate the shadow. Everything is based on Carl Jung's original ideas.

The Shadow holds the key to uncovering our hidden talents, being more creative, building confidence, creating healthy relationships, and achieving meaning and purpose. Making it one of the most important elements in Jungian Psychology. Let's begin!

The first thing I want to mention is the term Shadow Work, for some unknown reason it became associated with Carl Jung’s work even though he never used it a single time. Honestly, I'm not a fan of this term since it's been associated with a lot of scammy new-age nonsense that continuously gives Jungian Psychology a terrible reputation.

But at this point, using it helps my videos and articles be more discoverable, so I guess it's a necessary evil. If you want to research for yourself, in Carl Jung’s c*ollected works*, you’ll find the terms *shadow assimilation* or *shadow integration*.

# Carl Jung's Model of The Psyche

To start, we have to explore the most important concept, yet forgotten, in Jungian Psychology: c*onscious attitude*. This is basically how a person is wired, it's a sum of their belief system, core values, individual pre-dispositions, their typology, and an Eros or Logos orientation. In summary, c*onscious attitude* is someone's *modus operandi*. It’s every psychological component used to filter, interpret, and react to reality. Using a fancy term, your *cosmovision*.

This may sound complex, but to simplify, think about your favorite character from a movie or TV show. Now, try to describe his values, beliefs, and how he tends to act in different situations. If you can spot certain patterns, you’re close to evaluating someone’s *conscious attitude*, and the *shadow integration* process will require that you study your own.

The *conscious attitude* acts by **selecting – directing – and excluding**, and the relationship between conscious and unconscious is *c*ompensatory and complementary. In that sense, everything that is incompatible with the *conscious attitude* and its values will be relegated to the unconscious.

For instance, if you’re someone extremely oriented by logic, invariably, feelings and emotions won’t be able to come to the surface, and vice-versa. In summary, everything that our conscious mind judges as bad, negative, or inferior, will form our *shadow.*

That's why contrary to popular belief, the *shadow* isn’t made of only undesired qualities, It's neutral and the true battle often lies in accepting the good qualities of our *shadow*, such as our hidden talents, creativity, and all of our untapped potential.

Lastly, It’s important to make a distinction here because people tend to think that the *shadow* is only made of repressed aspects of our personality, however, there are things in the unconscious that were never conscious in the first place. Also, we have to add the collective unconscious and the prospective nature of the *psyche* to this equation, but more on that in future articles.

# The Personal and Collective Unconscious

Jung’s model of the *psyche* divides the unconscious into two categories, the *personal unconscious* and the impersonal or *collective unconscious*.

“The Personal Unconscious contains lost memories, painful ideas that are repressed (I.e. forgotten on purpose), subliminal perceptions, by which are meant sense-perceptions that were not strong enough to reach consciousness, and finally, contents, that are not yet ripe for consciousness. It corresponds to the figure of the shadow so frequently met in dreams” (C. G. Jung - V7.1 – §103).

Consequently, unconscious contents are of a personal nature when we can recognize in our past their effects, their manifestations, and their specific origin. Lastly, it's mainly made out of *complexes,* making the personal shadow.

In contrast, the collective unconscious consists of primordial images, i.e., *archetypes*. In summary, *archetypes* are an organizing principle that exists as a potential to experience something psychologically and physiologically in a similar and definite way. Archetypes are like a blueprint, a structure, or a pattern.

# Complexes

Recapitulating, everything that is incompatible with the *conscious attitude* will be relegated to or simply remain unconscious. Moreover, Jung states the *conscious attitude* has the natural tendency to be unilateral. This is important for it to be adaptative, contain the unconscious, and develop further. But this is a double-edged sword since the more one-sided the *conscious attitude* gets the less the unconscious can expressed.

In that sense, neurosis happens when we adopt a rigid and unilateral *conscious attitude* which causes a split between the conscious and unconscious, and the individual is dominated by his *complexes.*

Jung explains that **Complexes are \[autonomous\] psychic fragments which have split off owing to traumatic influences or certain incompatible tendencies“ (C. G. Jung - V8 – §253).** Furthermore, *Complexes* can be grouped around *archetypes* and common patterns of behavior, they are an amalgamation of experiences around a theme, like the *mother* and *father complex.* Due to their archetypal foundation, *complexes* can produce typical thought, emotional, physical, and symbolic patterns, however, their nucleus will always be the individual experience.

This means that when it comes to dealing with the *shadow*, even if there are *archetypes* at play, we always have to understand how they are being expressed in an individual context. That’s why naming *archetypes* or intellectually learning about them is useless, we always have to focus on the individual experience and correcting the *conscious attitude* that's generating problems.

Complexes are autonomous and people commonly refer to them as “parts” or “aspects” of our personality. In that sense, Jung says that “\[…\] There is no difference in principle between a fragmentary personality and a complex“ (C. G. Jung - V8 – §202). Moreover, he explains that *complexes* tend to present themselves in a personified form, like the characters that make up our dreams and figures we encounter during Active Imagination.

A modern example of the effects of a *complex* is Bruce Banner and The Hulk. Bruce Banner aligns with the *introverted thinking type*. Plus, he has a very timid, quiet, and cowardly attitude. Naturally, this *conscious attitude* would repress any expression of emotion, assertiveness, and aggression. Hence, the Hulk, a giant impulsive and fearless beast fueled by rage.

But we have to take a step back because it’s easy to assume *complexes* are evil and pathologize them. In fact, everyone has *complexes* and this is completely normal, there’s no need to panic. What makes them bad is our conscious judgments. We always have to remember that the unconscious reacts to our *conscious attitude*. In other words, our attitude towards the unconscious will determine how we experience a *complex*.

As Jung says, “We know that the mask of the unconscious is not rigid—it reflects the face we turn towards it. Hostility lends it a threatening aspect, friendliness softens its features" (C. G. Jung - V12 – §29).

An interesting example is anger, one of the most misunderstood emotions. Collectively, we tend to quickly judge the mildest expression of anger as the works of satan, that’s why most people do everything they can to repress it. But the more we repress something the more it rebels against us, that’s why when it finally encounters an outlet, it’s this huge possessive and dark thing that destroys our relationships bringing shame and regret.

But to deal with the *shadow*, we must cultivate an open mind towards the unconscious and seek to see both sides of any aspect. Too much anger is obviously destructive, however, when it’s properly channeled it can give us the ability to say no and place healthy boundaries. Healthy anger provide us with the courage to end toxic relationships, resolve conflicts intelligently, and become an important fuel to conquer our objectives.

When we allow one-sided judgments to rule our *psyche*, even the most positive trait can be experienced as something destructive. For instance, nowadays, most people run away from their creativity because they think "It's useless, not practical, and such a waste of time”. As a result, their creative potential turns poisonous and they feel restless, emotionally numb, and uninspired.

The secret for integration is to establish a relationship with these forsaken parts and seek a new way of healthily expressing them. We achieve that by transforming our *conscious attitude* and \*\*this is the main objective of good psychotherapy. The problem isn’t the *shadow*, but how we perceive it. Thus, the goal of *shadow integration* is to embody these parts in our conscious personality, because when these unconscious aspects can’t be expressed, they usually turn into symptoms.

# Dealing With The Puppet Masters

Let's dig deeper. Jung says “The *via regia* to the unconscious \[…\] is the complex, which is the architect of dreams and of symptoms” (C. G. Jung - V8 – §210). We can see their mischievous works whenever there are overreactions like being taken by a sudden rage or sadness, when we engage in toxic relationship patterns, or when we experience common symptoms of anxiety and depression.

The crazy thing is that while *complexes* are unconscious, they have no relationship with the ego, that's why they can feel like there's a foreign body pulling the strings and manipulating our every move. That's why I like referring to *complexes* as the “puppet masters”.

In some cases, this dissociation is so severe that people believe there's an outside spirit controlling them. Under this light, Jung says that “Spirits, therefore, viewed from the psychological angle, are unconscious autonomous complexes which appear as projections because they have no direct association with the ego“ (C. G. Jung - V8 – §585).

To deal with *complexes*, It's crucial to understand that they distort our interpretation of reality and shape our sense of identity by producing fixed narratives that play on repeat in our minds. These stories prime us to see ourselves and the world in a certain way, also driving our behaviors and decisions. The less conscious we are about them, the more power they have over us.

In that sense, *neurosis* means that a *complex* is ruling the conscious mind and traps the subject in a repeating storyline. For instance, when you're dealing with an inferiority complex (not that I know anything about that!), you’ll usually have this nasty voice in your head telling you that you’re not enough and you don’t matter, and you’ll never be able to be successful and will probably just die alone. These inner monologues tend to be a bit dramatic.

But this makes you live in fear and never go after what you truly want because deep down you feel like you don’t deserve it. Secretly, you feel jealous of the people who have success, but you’re afraid to put yourself out there. Then, you settle for mediocre relationships and a crappy job.

People under the influence of this complex tend to fabricate an illusory narrative that “No one suffers like them” and “Nothing ever works for them”. But when you come up with solutions, they quickly find every excuse imaginable trying to justify why this won’t work. They romanticize their own suffering because it gives them an illusory sense of uniqueness. They think that they're so special that the world can’t understand them and common solutions are beneath them.

The harsh truth is that they don’t want it to work, they hang on to every excuse to avoid growing up, because while they are a victim, there’s always someone to blame for their shortcomings. While they play the victim card, they can secretly tyrannize everyone and avoid taking responsibility for their lives.

# Projection Unveiled

Complexes are also the basis for our projections and directly influence our relationships. The external mirrors our internal dynamics. This means that we unconsciously engage with people to perpetuate these narratives. In the case of a victim mentality, the person will always unconsciously look for an imaginary or real perpetrator to blame.

While someone with intimacy issues will have an unconscious tendency to go after emotionally unavailable people who can potentially abandon them. Or they will find a way to sabotage the relationship as soon as it starts to get serious.

Complexes feel like a curse, we find ourselves living the same situations over and over again. The only way to break free from these narratives is by first taking the time to understand them. There are complexes around money and achieving financial success, about our self-image, our capabilities, etc.

One of the most important keys to integrating the shadow is learning how to work with our projections, as everything that is unconscious is first encountered projected. In that sense, *complexes* are the main material for our personal projections.

Let's get more practical, the most flagrant signs of a *complex* operating are overreactions (”feeling triggered”) and compulsive behaviors. A projection only takes place via a *projective hook*. In other words, the person in question often possesses the quality you're seeing, however, projection always amplifies it, often to a superhuman or inhuman degree.

For instance, for someone who always avoids conflict and has difficulty asserting their boundaries, interacting with a person who is direct and upfront might evoke a perception of them being highly narcissistic and tyrannical, even if they're acting somewhat normal.

**Here are a few pointers to spot projections:**

* You see the person as all good or all bad.
* The person is reduced to a single attribute, like being a narcissist or the ultimate flawless spiritual master.
* You put them on a pedestal or feel the need to show your superiority.
* You change your behavior around them.
* Their opinions matter more than your own.
* You're frustrated when they don't correspond to the image you created about them.
* You feel a compulsion toward them (aka a severe Animus and Anima entanglement or limerence).

As you can see, projection significantly reduces our ability to see people as a nuanced human being. But when we withdraw a projection, we can finally see the real person, our emotional reactions diminish as well as their influence over us.

It’s impossible to stop projecting entirely because the psyche is alive and as our *conscious attitude* changes, the unconscious reacts. But we can create a healthy relationship with our projections by understanding them as a message from the unconscious.

However, withdrawing projections requires taking responsibility and realizing how we often act in the exact ways we condemn, leading to a moral differentiation. In the case of a positive aspect, like admiring someone’s skill or intelligence, we must make it our duty to develop these capacities for ourselves instead of making excuses.

# The Golden Shadow

**If you take only one thing from this chapter, remember this**: The key to integrating the shadow lies in transforming our perception of what's been repressed and taking the time to give these aspects a more mature expression through concrete actions.

To achieve that, Carl Jung united both Freud's (*etiology*) and Adler's (*teleology*) perspectives. In Jung's view, symptoms are historical and have a cause BUT they also have a direction and purpose. The first one is always concerned with finding the origins of our symptoms and behaviors. The basic idea is that once the cause becomes conscious and we experience a catharsis, the emotional charge and symptoms can be reduced.

The second is concerned with understanding what we're trying to achieve with our strategies. For example, adopting people-pleasing and codependent behaviors is often a result of having experienced emotionally unstable parents whom you always tried to appease. On the flip side, keeping codependent behaviors can also be a way of avoiding taking full responsibility for your life, as you're constantly looking for someone to save you.

That's why investigating the past is only half of the equation and often gets people stuck, you need the courage to ask yourself how you've been actively contributing to keeping your destructive narratives and illusions alive.

Most of the time we hang on to *complexes* to avoid change and take on new responsibilities. We avoid facing that we’re the ones producing our own suffering. Yes, I know this realization is painful but this can set you free. The s*hadow integration* process demands that we take full responsibility for our lives, and in doing so, we open the possibility of writing new stories.

This leads us to the final and most important step of all: **“Insight into the myth of the unconscious must be converted into ethical obligation”** (Barbara Hannah - Encounters With The Soul - p. 25).

The Shadow holds the key to uncovering our hidden genius, being more creative, building confidence, creating healthy relationships, and achieving a deeper sense of meaning. But integrating the shadow isn't an intellectual exercise, these aspects exist as a potential and will only be developed through concrete actions.

Let's say you always wanted to be a musician but you never went for it because you didn’t want to disappoint your parents and you doubted your capabilities. You chose a different career and this creative talent is now repressed.

After a few years, you realize that you must attend this calling. You can spend some time learning why you never did it in the first place, like how you gave up on your dreams and have bad financial habits just like your parents. Or how you never felt you were good enough because you experienced toxic shame.

This is important in the beginning to evoke new perspectives and help challenge these beliefs, but most people stop there. However, the only thing that truly matters is what you do with your insights. You can only integrate the shadow by devoting time and energy to nurturing these repressed aspects and making practical changes.

In this case, you'd need to make time to play music, compose, maybe take classes, and you'd have to decide if this is a new career or if it'll remain a sacred hobby. You integrate the shadow and further your individuation journey by doing and following your fears.

That's why obsessing with shadow work prompts will get you nowhere. If you realize you have codependent behaviors, for instance, you don't have to “keep digging”, you have to focus on fully living your life, exploring your talents, and developing intrinsic motivation.

You must sacrifice your childish illusions as there's no magical solution. Healing and integration aren't a one-time thing, but a construction. It happens when we put ourselves in movement and with every small step we take.

Lastly, Carl Jung's preferred method for investigating the unconscious and correcting the *conscious attitude* was dream analysis and active imagination, which will be covered in future chapters. But I want to share one last personal example. Last year, I had many active imagination experiences in which I was presented with a sword and I had to wield it.

Upon investigation, I understood that this was a symbol for the logos, the verb, and the written word. I instinctively knew I was being called to write and couldn't run away from it, even though I've never done it in my life.

Of course, I had many doubts and thought I'd never be able to write anything worthy, however, I decided to trust my soul and persevered. As you can see, this is no simple task, I completely rearranged my schedule, changed my habits, and even my business structure so I could write as often as possible.

But it was worth it and that's how the book you're reading came to be. That’s also why I chose the sword and snake to be on the cover, representing Eros and Logos. Finally, if our real life doesn't reflect our inner-work, this pursuit is meaningless and most likely wishful and magical thinking.

**PS:** This is part of my Demystifying Jungian Psychology series, which is based on my introductory book on Jungian Psychology - PISTIS. You can [claim your free copy here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/1b2ghif/i_wrote_an_introductory_book_to_jungian/).

*Rafael Krüger - Jungian Therapist*


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Lots of music, movies and books have covered these subjects. Very complicated so now I’ll digress. Lol


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Freak of Nature
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Jesus mentioned ghost so they must exist

Came here to pretty much say the same thing, that the bible does mention ghosts. When Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection they thought it was a ghost. Same thing when he was walking on the water. That said, the bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So, do I think it’s the “ghost” of a person? No. Maybe a spirit taking their form? Don’t know. I’ll say this. We did a job at the old Bryce Hospital in Tuscaloosa back when they started to do some restoration work. We went up in an area, on the initial job walk, where the door that lead up to the top floor was padlocked. One way in, one way out. Came off that floor and padlocked it back. Went outside to do a walk around on the building and looked up at the dormer on that floor, and the curtains were moving so violently that it looked like a flag in a hurricane. There were four of us and all four of us saw it. No air conditioning on that floor that could have been blowing it. No open windows. The guy that had the key to the lock was one of the four with us. He worked for Bryce. The other three of us for the construction company. We looked at him and he just said some very strange things happen on that floor. What was it? Who knows. My personal opinion is evil spirit/demon because the bible speaks of them pretty regularly.

Another story. There’s an old church downtown Bham that supposedly is where the courthouse use to be and hangings took place in the courtyard. That’s what the maintenance man told me anyway. I get called to look at a job there one day from an electrician. I show up at the allotted time and the maintenance man, mentioned above, is waiting on me. I ask where the electrician is and he smiles and tells me he isn’t there. I ask why. He said the electrician was working in the basement and got a weird feeling. Said he turned around and a man was in the basement with him wearing a long black coat and top hat. Said the man stared at him then disappeared. The electrician quit on the spot. That’s why he wasn’t there when I got there.


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