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Originally Posted by General
The easy way to solve this problem is to simply not drive a vehicle on a public road. Bottom line is they have the potential to be used for good and bad just like everything else and no one has any expectation of privacy driving on a public roadway.

What about the civil liberties part?

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Originally Posted by rhino21
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The easy way to solve this problem is to simply not drive a vehicle on a public road. Bottom line is they have the potential to be used for good and bad just like everything else and no one has any expectation of privacy driving on a public roadway.

What about the civil liberties part?


You don’t have an expectation of privacy driving on a public road.


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Originally Posted by General
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The easy way to solve this problem is to simply not drive a vehicle on a public road. Bottom line is they have the potential to be used for good and bad just like everything else and no one has any expectation of privacy driving on a public roadway.

What about the civil liberties part?


You don’t have an expectation of privacy driving on a public road.

I agree mostly but I am asking you about the civil liberties part of my statement. There is a major difference between a bystander seeing your car and the government building a massive surveillance system to track your every move

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Originally Posted by rhino21
It's the creation of an unregulated, AI powered nationwide surveillance network and the fact that they are using it to train AI models. You are correct that all technology is misused, and this technology has the potential to strip away our civil liberties and right to privacy on a massive scale.


All of those other systems have been in place and compiled. You’re already in multiple data bases
The only difference I see is the real time of flock

Flock was used the other day to apprehend a suspect. They were looking and in real time, he was seen headed towards Woodward Ave and turned south. They caught him half a mile down Woodard Ave.

That’s both good and bad I’d guess


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Tag readers existed years ago and they were in real time too. May have been first gen flock cameras or whatever I do not know.
Same info gathered and stored.

I’m way more concerned with education and higher education turning young against this country and its founding principles. The Marxist agenda of the last 30 plus years that started creeping but now is full onslaught against straight white Christian men. That’s the real battle for now. Flock cameras have no value if the takeover is thwarted. If not flock cameras will have much more have desperate meanings.


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Curiosity..if an officer gets a warrant to search a flock camera's data, does he have to show said warrant first to the person he is going to search data for?

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Originally Posted by gwstang
Curiosity..if an officer gets a warrant to search a flock camera's data, does he have to show said warrant first to the person he is going to search data for?


The situation i mentioned was on FB, the suspects car was entered into the database and a hit on his vehicle. Officers from several agencies were sent in his direction to apprehend him. I’ll assume since it was active and ongoing a warrant wasn’t needed


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Originally Posted by gwstang
Curiosity..if an officer gets a warrant to search a flock camera's data, does he have to show said warrant first to the person he is going to search data for?
I'm sure it's different in every jurisdiction / county / state, but most do not require a warrant to access flocks database.

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People are searching said records without warrants. Supposedly any 2 bit hacker can get into those records.

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Originally Posted by General
The easy way to solve this problem is to simply not drive a vehicle on a public road. Bottom line is they have the potential to be used for good and bad just like everything else and no one has any expectation of privacy driving on a public roadway.



Can't they track you with facial recognition? I don't think they need a car tag. A car tag just makes it more accurate. Besides can't you get one of those tag overlays that keeps cameras from reading your license plate.

This is a pretty interesting tip... Just get a new license plate every year for a few bucks more.



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Facial recognition is all over the social media
Put a group pic up on fb and watch fb start adding peoples names in the group pic. When it’s your pic it’ll ask if you wanna add your name
They changing it up but the facial recognition is there and has been.


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Originally Posted by Irishguy
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The easy way to solve this problem is to simply not drive a vehicle on a public road. Bottom line is they have the potential to be used for good and bad just like everything else and no one has any expectation of privacy driving on a public roadway.



Can't they track you with facial recognition? I don't think they need a car tag. A car tag just makes it more accurate. Besides can't you get one of those tag overlays that keeps cameras from reading your license plate.

This is a pretty interesting tip... Just get a new license plate every year for a few bucks more.


License plate covers are illegal

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Originally Posted by wew3006
License plate covers are illegal

Right, it's also illegal to damage someone else's Flock Camera or shooting a drone from the sky, but that doesn't stop ALDeer from talking about doing it.


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License plate covers are illegal

Right, it's also illegal to damage someone else's Flock Camera or shooting a drone from the sky, but that doesn't stop ALDeer from talking about doing it.

You are correct about that, IG

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Originally Posted by gwstang
Curiosity..if an officer gets a warrant to search a flock camera's data, does he have to show said warrant first to the person he is going to search data for?
I wouldn't think so. When I got a warrant for info from a cell phone company, the owner of the phone didn't know it. I imagine the same principles apply with Flock cameras.


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Curiosity..if an officer gets a warrant to search a flock camera's data, does he have to show said warrant first to the person he is going to search data for?
I wouldn't think so. When I got a warrant for info from a cell phone company, the owner of the phone didn't know it. I imagine the same principles apply with Flock cameras.
I may be wrong but i see that as apples and oranges. You agree to a contract with a wireless provider, and in it, it probably gives permission to the provider to provide said info. But the flock cams are different in my mind. I know, you have no expectation of privacy in public, but its just different in my mind.


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Curiosity..if an officer gets a warrant to search a flock camera's data, does he have to show said warrant first to the person he is going to search data for?
I wouldn't think so. When I got a warrant for info from a cell phone company, the owner of the phone didn't know it. I imagine the same principles apply with Flock cameras.
I may be wrong but i see that as apples and oranges. You agree to a contract with a wireless provider, and in it, it probably gives permission to the provider to provide said info. But the flock cams are different in my mind. I know, you have no expectation of privacy in public, but its just different in my mind.

You do not need to be present for law enforcement to execute a search warrant at your home or business; I would expect that to apply to data also?
Jawbone will correct me; if wrong.

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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by rhino21
It's the creation of an unregulated, AI powered nationwide surveillance network and the fact that they are using it to train AI models. You are correct that all technology is misused, and this technology has the potential to strip away our civil liberties and right to privacy on a massive scale.


All of those other systems have been in place and compiled. You’re already in multiple data bases
The only difference I see is the real time of flock

Flock was used the other day to apprehend a suspect. They were looking and in real time, he was seen headed towards Woodward Ave and turned south. They caught him half a mile down Woodard Ave.

That’s both good and bad I’d guess

The difference is that a database doesn’t have the power to arrest me. I refuse to trade any of my civil liberties for a false sense of security. It all comes back to the Benjamin Franklin quote Gomer posted.

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Originally Posted by rhino21
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Originally Posted by rhino21
It's the creation of an unregulated, AI powered nationwide surveillance network and the fact that they are using it to train AI models. You are correct that all technology is misused, and this technology has the potential to strip away our civil liberties and right to privacy on a massive scale.


All of those other systems have been in place and compiled. You’re already in multiple data bases
The only difference I see is the real time of flock

Flock was used the other day to apprehend a suspect. They were looking and in real time, he was seen headed towards Woodward Ave and turned south. They caught him half a mile down Woodard Ave.

That’s both good and bad I’d guess

The difference is that a database doesn’t have the power to arrest me. I refuse to trade any of my civil liberties for a false sense of security. It all comes back to the Benjamin Franklin quote Gomer posted.
Flock is just another database; it can't arrest anyone. The courts will decide how it can be used or accessed. Those challenges will be interesting.

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Originally Posted by wew3006
Originally Posted by rhino21
Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by rhino21
It's the creation of an unregulated, AI powered nationwide surveillance network and the fact that they are using it to train AI models. You are correct that all technology is misused, and this technology has the potential to strip away our civil liberties and right to privacy on a massive scale.


All of those other systems have been in place and compiled. You’re already in multiple data bases
The only difference I see is the real time of flock

Flock was used the other day to apprehend a suspect. They were looking and in real time, he was seen headed towards Woodward Ave and turned south. They caught him half a mile down Woodard Ave.

That’s both good and bad I’d guess

The difference is that a database doesn’t have the power to arrest me. I refuse to trade any of my civil liberties for a false sense of security. It all comes back to the Benjamin Franklin quote Gomer posted.
Flock is just another database; it can't arrest anyone. The courts will decide how it can be used or accessed. Those challenges will be interesting.

The real time capabilities say differently

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