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Drilled 3 acres of black oil sunflowers. Rain in the forecast early next week.

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good deal, I am going to have to invest in an electric fence setup. The deer will not leave my sunflowers alone

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Last year the deer hammered my standing sunflowers during the winter. I hope they didn’t develop a taste.

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I was okay the first year I got the place but ever since then it has been an issue. I have only planted brown top and proso millet the last 2 years with some top sown wheat. Please keep us updated with the progress

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This is 4th year planting. Not going to say anymore to keep from talking a non issue into an issue. Lol. I’ll be sure to update.

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Once deer get a taste of sunflower well it’s not good. They’ll walk the rows and devour. I’m gonna plant sunflower interspersed with corn I have left over and plant proso millet beside it. Should have something to hunt over.

Gonna plant into standing cereal rye and then leveled ground. See if hiding the sunflowers from the deer in the rye helps out

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Maybe they don’t know what they look like before they are brown and crispy

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I think I am going to try some corn as well this year. Have y'all tried any sesame? I was thinking it may be a good late season crop

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Poor country preacher did. I think there’s a thread about it.

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I’m looking for spurge seed
I’ve got some along the roadside at my house


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I’ve planted sesame but it seemed like it was late to really produce hardening seed when dove season came. Now I just go with a millet blend and cut and burn it in strips and add top sown wheat in strips to try and get 4 good weekends of hunting and maybe a late season hunt

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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Poor country preacher did. I think there’s a thread about it.

I planted about an acre one year, and also an acre of the Dove Magnet mix beside it. Then I top sowed wheat beside that. The doves preferred the sesame over anything else, but the problem was that I just didn't have many in the area. We killed a few, but it wasn't worth the trouble.

If I were in an area with a lot of doves I would plant sesame every year. I didn't have a problem with it not maturing before the season, but I planted early and hit strips with gly, then would bush hog the strips the next week. It put a tremendous amount of seed on the ground and the doves used the field for weeks.

I have planted sunflowers several times over the years, usually in a mix like the Dove Magnet, but I have never seen a single plant bloom and produce seed. The deer eat it as soon as it comes up. Good luck to all trying to grow a dove field; I sure wish that I could.


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Originally Posted by wk2hnt
I’ve planted sesame but it seemed like it was late to really produce hardening seed when dove season came. Now I just go with a millet blend and cut and burn it in strips and add top sown wheat in strips to try and get 4 good weekends of hunting and maybe a late season hunt


Same here. No need to get fancy.

I tried sesame but it grows in a really hard shell that they can’t get to until it’s matured and that takes forever.

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I bumped the thread on my sesame to the top for the benefit of anyone interested in growing it. I see that by using gly and then the bush hog the ground was covered with seed on September 3. It's more trouble to grow than browntop, but we have found that doves prefer it in the first season over most anything. My uncle has grown it every year since I did and we've had some great hunts over it.

It used to not matter a lot, but now there is so much competition in our area that you need a crop they really like.


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Thank you poorcountrypreacher and all the others! That is the info I needed to give it a try. I will keep y'all updated

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Not to hijack your thread yella but shine some light on the black oil sunflowers! Got some buddy’s that only plant clear field but my pockets ain’t that deep lol how do you keep your weeds under control or do you? Never planted a field and planning on it this week. Just got everything disked up!

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I do a burn down with Gly. Had these drilled two weeks later. Once the sprout I go over with a pre emergent before a rain. Can’t really control the broadleaf weeds but I’ll will spray select before they form a canopy to kill grasses. I’ll also fertilize when I spray the pre emergent. The label says I can apply pre emergent when I plant but my application process isn’t 100% accurate so I’ve been hesitant to try

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I do a burn down before i plant. I just plant the regular seeds because of the cost. Sometimes i do grain sorghum and millet. I think corn around the edges really helps

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Corn looked good today sunflower seeds are just coming up

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Bought some sesame today. Just waiting on some rain now

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Got some sunflowers popping up. It’s bad dry. Hopefully we get the rain we are forcasted.

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I planted a couple rows of sunflowers two weeks ago and only a few are coming up. Its heavy clay soil that crusted over after the last heavy rain, so I don't have high hopes

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Sprayed the corn in the duck fields and fertilized today. Hoping this rain will liven it up. Going to plant the rest Monday . Sprayed the other field today.

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Farmers have already fired up the pivots. Not good

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Well fertilized the duck fields today. Then did the dove field which is corn and sunflowers. Then sprayed and planted corn for deer. It's been a good day just now started raining

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Had a great 24hr soaking rain here. Going to check the field Tuesday and see the results

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We got 2 1/2 inches last night

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Well 7 inches of rain one duck farm is completely under water. Will have to replant. If this rain don't stop I am going to loose them all

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We've been getting some good soaking rain here recently, and it looks like we have more on the way

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Well we have passed 10 inches in 5 days. Duck fields are 3 foot under water. Fixing to get on sxs and go look at dove field

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I’m glad all my plots are sloped and not in low areas. They would be drowned if not.


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Going to check mine this afternoon. It’s on a hill and sloped. We’ve had close to 5”

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I think dove field will be ok. And possibly the deer corn it is on higher ground

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Got good germination. Think the planter was not completely tuned in. Kinda spotty but it’ll do. Found a few arrowheads walking this evening

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Well the 12 1/2 inches of rain in the last 10 days got the sunflowers also. What type of millet do yall like best and when do you plant

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Brown top. 60-90 days before opener. Mature vs dried is the difference. Could spray with gly to speed the dry. I also cut and burn

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Originally Posted by kyles
Well the 12 1/2 inches of rain in the last 10 days got the sunflowers also. What type of millet do yall like best and when do you plant
For dry areas, brown top. For wet areas, Jap.


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I have had good luck with proso millet as well and the birds seem to love it. It's not as easy to grow as brown top and seems to be more susceptible to excessive rain.

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Hope to spray some cleth this afternoon

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I got a little too close to one of my corn rows with cleth last weekend and killed a few plants. If this rain will get out of here, I am going to do some more spraying tomorrow

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Well I have lost everything. 7 inches of rain today. Water is over the highway even

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Got 1 acre of sunflowers and 2 acres of brown top in the ground Saturday.

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Germination was good. Spray was effective, got all kinds of height difference though

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Same here, I’ve got some that 8-10 inches high and some that 3-4

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I should have done better seed bed prep. First time drilling and had a learning moment. Lol.

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I broadcast mine

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I'm planning to plant my browntop and proso millet this weekend, as long as the field isn't too wet. Yella, did the deer leave your sunflowers alone again this year?

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Originally Posted by rhino21
I'm planning to plant my browntop and proso millet this weekend, as long as the field isn't too wet. Yella, did the deer leave your sunflowers alone again this year?
So far no evidence of browsing. Being surrounded by corn and soybeans helps the most I believe

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Originally Posted by Livintohunt19
I broadcast mine
I have in the past. Was wanting to try something new and faster.

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Going to “plant” some fall canola. This seed ought to be candy

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I think drilling is best but it’s not in the budget currently. What are you fertilizing with and how often, this is my first time growing sunflowers

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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
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I'm planning to plant my browntop and proso millet this weekend, as long as the field isn't too wet. Yella, did the deer leave your sunflowers alone again this year?
So far no evidence of browsing. Being surrounded by corn and soybeans helps the most I believe

Good deal hopefully they continue to leave them alone. Please keep us updated on the canola. Just did a little research and it looks like you plant it this August-October for manipulation the following late summer. is that correct? Where did you get your seeds?

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Pull a soil test and fertilize at time of planting. Just do it once

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The canola is going to be more of a “top sown food plot” more than anything. It’ll provide browse for the deer and cover in the spring before it’s terminated. I have some connections in the seed industry.

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The more I look into canola the more interesting it gets. Sounds like the best of both worlds if you have a field that you want to provide winter deer forage but also have an attractive dove field the following year. Is it tough to find a winter variety of seed to plant? Is this your first year planting it?

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I planted a small patch two years ago for deer. They didn’t mess with it much. Problem with planting and trying to harvest for dove is that once it gets hot it dies. So it would have shot its wad about now. It’s a tough plant, gotta use 2,4-d to kill it. It laughs at Gly. They have a variety that’s designed to be planted in spring and harvested in the fall but you gotta buy a pallet quantity. A 50lb sack does around 9 acres.

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Thanks for the info. Sounds like if you have room to spare it might be an option to keep them reefed up during the summer.

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That’s the plan! Hopefully this crazy jokers show up

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Got a good soaking rain Tuesday afternoon so it is off to the races! Hopefully we can get some timely rains over the next few weeks. Had some dozer work done a couple months ago around the dove field and top sowed brown top millet. It's got the dove reefed up around my place, hopefully they stick around for a couple more months

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Keep a disced up bare ground lane through the middle and weekly broadcast wild bird seed from the coop or Walmart or whatever. The doves your seeing now are nesting and the ones they are hatching will be there for you.

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Originally Posted by wk2hnt
Keep a disced up bare ground lane through the middle and weekly broadcast wild bird seed from the coop or Walmart or whatever. The doves your seeing now are nesting and the ones they are hatching will be there for you.

Appreciate the advice!

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Keep a disced up bare ground lane through the middle and weekly broadcast wild bird seed from the coop or Walmart or whatever. The doves your seeing now are nesting and the ones they are hatching will be there for you.

Appreciate the advice!

This is good advice, but I would only use wheat. If the gw finds any seed besides wheat, you’ll be getting a ticket


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Keep a disced up bare ground lane through the middle and weekly broadcast wild bird seed from the coop or Walmart or whatever. The doves your seeing now are nesting and the ones they are hatching will be there for you.

Appreciate the advice!

This is good advice, but I would only use wheat. If the gw finds any seed besides wheat, you’ll be getting a ticket
He’s got time. Only need two weeks after last seed is picked up.

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Picked up some three way scratch to keep out for the next few weeks. I will make sure it is completely gone a month before and just switch over to top sown wheat sections until season comes in.

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So first year growing sunflowers, planted clarified. I’m sure it’s because of soil quality but I’ve got some that are 4 ft tall and are heading out and then the other side of the field the tallest one is is 10 inches tall. Some details, I broadcast planted them and then about 3 weeks after they sprouted I fertilized them with 13-13-13, then about 2 weeks after that I sprayed imizamox on the weeds. Is there anything I can do the help the other side of the field that’s not doing so good??

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Originally Posted by Livintohunt19
So first year growing sunflowers, planted clarified. I’m sure it’s because of soil quality but I’ve got some that are 4 ft tall and are heading out and then the other side of the field the tallest one is is 10 inches tall. Some details, I broadcast planted them and then about 3 weeks after they sprouted I fertilized them with 13-13-13, then about 2 weeks after that I sprayed imizamox on the weeds. Is there anything I can do the help the other side of the field that’s not doing so good??
how is the distribution of plants where it’s short? Also, how much sun is that spot getting versus the other you mentioned? Sounds like you got a heavy germination and they are competing or it’s not getting enough sunlight. They can’t make up the difference with fertilizer at this stage in my opinion.

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It’s a pretty wide open field, I’m not really sure what’s going on. Do you suggest getting a soil sample before planting next year?

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Originally Posted by Livintohunt19
It’s a pretty wide open field, I’m not really sure what’s going on. Do you suggest getting a soil sample before planting next year?


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What is y'all's timeline on Japanese millet

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What is y'all's timeline on Japanese millet

I am interested in the responses to this as well. Never tried Japanese millet but have heard good things

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Jap is better suited for moist soil applications, like your duck ponds. It has a maturity rate of 45-90 days, depending on conditions. I would always give it at least 90 days, more if possible, before I expected water to be back on it if flooding. If you can time it right, planting 120 days before duck season is good.


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Originally Posted by Driveby
Jap is better suited for moist soil applications, like your duck ponds. It has a maturity rate of 45-90 days, depending on conditions. I would always give it at least 90 days, more if possible, before I expected water to be back on it if flooding. If you can time it right, planting 120 days before duck season is good.
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What can I spray the weeds in my field with now that my sunflowers are starting to bloom
Out? Clethodim is not cutting it.

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Are you adding a surfactant with your cleth? Also, I’m sure you know cleth only does grass. If you planted clearfield you have the option to use beyond or a generic of it

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Yesir surfactant added, what is the generic of beyond? I can’t afford beyond lol

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Imazamox, just be sure you have clearfield variety sunflowers or it’ll get them too. That was a quick google search of active ingredient so may want to read for yourself. Not liable! lol

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Unfortunately unless they are clearfield sunflowers your limited to just cleth for grasses. Broad leaf control would have to be done pre-emergent or cultivated before they get to tall.
What rates are you running on cleth? How many gallons to the acre is sprayer putting out? How tall is the grass? What surfactant are you using?

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Yea they are clearfields, I’ve been reading up on the Imazamox and think I will try it, the weeds aren’t awful and the deer got half the field but just trying to take care of the rest that’s left. I’ll have to look and see what surfactant I have and I’m just using what the bottle of cleth recommends. First year doing it and it’s definitely a learning curve. Biggest thing I will change next year is a soil sample and make sure I got that right before I plant anything. I have some that are 4 ft tall
And some that might be 10 inches tall.

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Check the chem labels for plant back restrictions.
I think imox has like 4 months on cereal grain and 8 or 9 months on field corn and sorghum. just something to consider.

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Originally Posted by Livintohunt19
What can I spray the weeds in my field with now that my sunflowers are starting to bloom
Out? Clethodim is not cutting it.

Don’t spray anything on blooming sunflowers.

Let them completely dry and burn the whole field with glyphosate

I have to do this every now and then. I bushhog strips to run the tractor
in when they are completely dry and burn the field with glyphosate

You have to wait until the back of the heads are brown. If you don’t
the stalks will break off at the ground

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My first planting got flooded out. The 2nd one did too but
I was able to bring them back with a lot of nitrogen

They aren’t perfect but they are decent. I have 4 strips this size

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Them flowers are perfect!! Great suggestions you mentioned! Please post some progression pics and field results!!

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I’ve got a broad leaf weed situation now being that I didn’t plant clear fields and killing the grass left some spots open. Planning to boomless spray over the top the second week of August. Mine are now face down.

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Wait till the back of the head is brown.

I have had to wait until the second week of the season

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Just put up with the weeds until then

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I’ll do my best to wait! I believe you have solid advice and will definitely utilize it

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You should be able to dry completely out before the opener
if they have already turned under

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Beautiful field oldbowhunter! Thanks for sharing

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Originally Posted by oldbowhunter
Wait till the back of the head is brown.

I have had to wait until the second week of the season
We talking just brown across or deep brown? What do you use for a chemical burn down? I usually use gly but wanted something that was faster and killed the tissue more than a total root kill. Also, I’m thinking about mixing in a pre emergent when I spray. What’s the advantage to waiting till the back of head is brown? Just trying to learn fully.

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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
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Wait till the back of the head is brown.

I have had to wait until the second week of the season
We talking just brown across or deep brown? What do you use for a chemical burn down? I usually use gly but wanted something that was faster and killed the tissue more than a total root kill. Also, I’m thinking about mixing in a pre emergent when I spray. What’s the advantage to waiting till the back of head is brown? Just trying to learn fully.

Brown across the back of the head. It’s the last part of the plant to turn brown. Years ago
we sprayed several fields too early and all of the stalks broke off at the ground.

We didn’t lose the seed but the heads were in contact with the ground. It’s better to have
the stalks standing for longevity. We hunt all 3 seasons. If you plan to just bush hog all
of the heads it won’t hurt to spray them early. Just make sure the seeds are fully developed.


I just use glysophate. Most gly has a surfactant in it now.

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Thank you!

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Got the field sprayed yesterday. Now the wait begins

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What is everyone seeing as far as numbers so far?

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I have been loaded with white wings the last several weeks but several corn fields close by
are starting to get cut. I am expecting them to scatter soon.

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Unfortunately, I am dealing with the same situation. They started cutting all the corn two days ago, so I expect my numbers to dwindle

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When should spray millet?

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Depends on when it was planted.
If it’s for opening day I would be spraying it now.

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Bush hogged the outer edges and field where they may fall along with some strips where I saw low germination. Will add more strips next weekend and top sow the following. I’m surrounded by corn that is ripe for harvest any day. I’m sure I’ll lose birds but hopefully diversity is the spice of life for the sunflowers, wheat for winter planting and a canola area being a cover crop

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That’s what am hoping gor diversity will hold them.
Sunflowers,corn,sesame,proso millet and wheat.
We shall see soon enough.

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I will have proso, brown top, wheat and sorghum. The sesame and sunflowers were almost a complete failure this year with the lack of rain, and I am sure my limited experience didn't help.

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They will smoke those small grains early for sure.

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I have some doves. Looks like a lot but I haven’t sat
there till 6 pm to see how many yet.

I have pulled up out there at 3pm and 101 temp a couple
of times and seen a few hundred

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I’m so glad opener is on Labor Day weekend…will be at the beach that weekend. Sucks


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Originally Posted by oldbowhunter
I have some doves. Looks like a lot but I haven’t sat
there till 6 pm to see how many yet.

I have pulled up out there at 3pm and 101 temp a couple
of times and seen a few hundred
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Dummies cutting hay were not suppose to cut past my sunflowers. They cut my millet in July, Some of it put back with a few heads. I may spray it this weekend and disk some strips around it.


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I burned down some millet today. Gonna bush hog and disk early next week hopefully.

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Sprayed yesterday gonna cut and disc Saturday

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Bush hogged a few more strips Will toss the wheat after this chance of rain passes. Season opens in 8 days. Probably go sit and watch this evening

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Been cleaning up and spraying

Got rained out today. Rained hard for an hour as soon as I
got there.

Whitewings don’t fly in a rain so they flocked in as
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I went from 400 plus birds last thursday before the big rain to about 40 or 50 since hopefully they will show back up
before the opener.

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Originally Posted by Jwoods32
I went from 400 plus birds last thursday before the big rain to about 40 or 50 since hopefully they will show back up
before the opener.

If they don’t come back we can sit next to each other and tell jokes all afternoon.

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Originally Posted by Jwoods32
I went from 400 plus birds last thursday before the big rain to about 40 or 50 since hopefully they will show back up
before the opener.

That sucks. I think I lost some to the storms too
but think I still have enough to shoot.

A lot can change in 9 days though. Good and bad.

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We got about 80-100 and have for the last several weeks. Timber company is about to burn the clear cut where I have my fields so will will see what that does to em.

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Doves like a burned field so it could help having that done around your field.


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