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Become Amish.... (I'm only sorta kidding....every day that passes, I think to myself "Man, maybe those Amish folks are onto something") A lot of my customers are Amish. I'm here to tell you, some of them are rolling in it. I know it....I have quite a few Amish customers too (in the woodworking industry). You'd also be surprised how many of them have a quarter-million dollar CNC machine in their shops, and $100k in software to run it....
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A lot of it has to do with mindset, priorities, and work ethic. If you look around, you will see a lot more younger people drawing a check on some government program because they are too lazy to work. There seems to be a lot more young meth heads running around as well and they sure aren't buying a house. Also, most younger adults are more focused on having the latest and greatest cell phone, new car, or buying those $7.00 coffees every day. Most of the young people I know, my children included, that have a mind to work, determination, and their priorities in order, are buying homes and raising families. Now, I will say that those type of young people are definitely in the minority. Name one check the government is giving out cause id like to know. I hear people talking about living off the government but yet never explain exactly what it is they are giving away. A phone and a $150 in food stamps per person ain't stopping people from working.
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I'm a lumber salesman for a treating facility. Yeah, not all of them are near as "primitive" as a lot of people think.
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A lot of it has to do with mindset, priorities, and work ethic. If you look around, you will see a lot more younger people drawing a check on some government program because they are too lazy to work. There seems to be a lot more young meth heads running around as well and they sure aren't buying a house. Also, most younger adults are more focused on having the latest and greatest cell phone, new car, or buying those $7.00 coffees every day. Most of the young people I know, my children included, that have a mind to work, determination, and their priorities in order, are buying homes and raising families. Now, I will say that those type of young people are definitely in the minority. Name one check the government is giving out cause id like to know. I hear people talking about living off the government but yet never explain exactly what it is they are giving away. A phone and a $150 in food stamps per person ain't stopping people from working. Well since I've never received one, I will have to look into it. I posted the stat that 23% of Alabama's income is government assistance. What are you looking for?
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It’s always funny to me it’s always the younger generation who is the problem.
Who raised the younger generation and politically who allowed the country to get where it is.
I’ll answer it wasn’t the younger generation.
I guess I’m officially middle aged but it gripes me that it’s always these kids fault.
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It’s always funny to me it’s always the younger generation who is the problem.
Who raised the younger generation and politically who allowed the country to get where it is.
I’ll answer it wasn’t the younger generation.
I guess I’m officially middle aged but it gripes me that it’s always these kids fault. Simply human nature at work and one of Our greatest faults is to always blame someone else instead of taking a long look at ourselves in the mirror.
John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
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It’s always funny to me it’s always the younger generation who is the problem.
Who raised the younger generation and politically who allowed the country to get where it is.
I’ll answer it wasn’t the younger generation.
I guess I’m officially middle aged but it gripes me that it’s always these kids fault. Were staring at “them” in the mirror. That’s why I said earlier it’s my responsibility to be teaching my own kids to work hard, be willing to sacrifice, and seek independence. Somehow,in the quest to give our kids a "better life than we had growing up”, we’ve come to believe that difficulties and sacrifice are a bad thing and should be avoided at all costs.
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I don't know if it's "blaming" the younger generation so much as it is just realizing what the labor pool is like. However it got there, it got there. But it is what it is. Anyone who's been at it for over 20-30 years will tell you it's undeniable. And I think Bamarich is onto something. Difficulty and sacrifice are really what makes us who we are and it's no longer looked at as such. I did not raised my children to avoid these things (they are grown now). And as I said earlier, they almost have a superpower in todays world. What used to be normal ( in regards to work ethic) is now exceptional.
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I agree with bama whole heartedly. I worked in melt shop at a steel mill for almost 20 years. I know all about what has happened to work ethic. And I also believe that most folks on this forum probably have raised their kids “right” but, lack of work ethic is a learned behavior just like a good work ethic is. People like to complain but fail to look in the mirror. My twins do pretty good as far as work goes but I have been much softer than my dad was a that’s my fault not theirs.
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“College tuition has risen +914% since 1983.” But at the same time you can graduate with a four-year degree without ever having to step foot on a campus. For me years ago, it wasn't possible to work full-time hours M-F and attend school (unless you did night school). I either had to choose to work part-time and go to school or work full-time and not go to school.
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I agree with bama whole heartedly. I worked in melt shop at a steel mill for almost 20 years. I know all about what has happened to work ethic. And I also believe that most folks on this forum probably have raised their kids “right” but, lack of work ethic is a learned behavior just like a good work ethic is. People like to complain but fail to look in the mirror. My twins do pretty good as far as work goes but I have been much softer than my dad was a that’s my fault not theirs. I know the feeling. My father was the hardest working person I ever knew.
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A lot of it has to do with mindset, priorities, and work ethic. If you look around, you will see a lot more younger people drawing a check on some government program because they are too lazy to work. There seems to be a lot more young meth heads running around as well and they sure aren't buying a house. Also, most younger adults are more focused on having the latest and greatest cell phone, new car, or buying those $7.00 coffees every day. Most of the young people I know, my children included, that have a mind to work, determination, and their priorities in order, are buying homes and raising families. Now, I will say that those type of young people are definitely in the minority. Earnings to price of homes is out of whack, but starter homes are looked down upon by young folks too. I’m painting with a wide brush but so many young folks seem to not be interested if it isn’t a 2,500 sq ft home in an upscale neighborhood. Growing up, if someone had a 2,500 sq ft home, they had a freaking mansion in our eyes. I agree that tastes have definitely gotten fancier, yes absolutely. But often these starter type single family houses(sub 1,200sqft) are in areas that are less than safe and/or school systems that are completely trash. I understand a starter house is not meant to be fancy or in an A+ neighborhood. My first property was a 725sqft condo in 2018 bought for $95,000, that same condo today is closing in on $200,000 Here's some numbers to crunch on, and I regularly have this discussion (usually with "old people") when they criticize younger folks for seemingly struggling more than the older folks did at their age.........1990 vs 2025 (1990 $'s have been converted to 2025 $'s for apples-to-apples comparison)
Median Household Income (AL)
1990 - $57,000 (again, converted to $2025)
2025 - $64,000
so roughly a 12% increase
Avg New Vehicle Price
1990 - $37,500 - 66% of yearly Household Income (again, converted to $2025)
2025 - $50,000 - 78% of yearly Household Income
so roughly a 34% increase, and a 12% increase in "percentage of Yearly Household Income"
Median Home Price (AL)
1990 - $130,000 - roughly 2.28x Yearly Household Income (again, converted to $2025)
2025 - $234,000 - roughly 3.66x Yearly Household Income
so roughly 80% increase overall, and 60% higher vs Yearly Household income.
The takeaway is that, after adjusting for inflation, households are making 12% more than they made 35yrs ago, but vehicles cost 34% more than they did 35yrs ago, and houses cost 80% more than they did 35yrs ago.
Homes and vehicles...the 2 largest expenses most people have...are rising a LOT faster than income. That simply isn't sustainable long-term. I don't know what the answer is. That's bad math and a complete lack of analytical ability to even post that BS Gomer. The average calculated hourly wage rate in 1990 was $17.87. The average calculated hourly wage rate in 2026 is $37.38. We were paying basic construction labor $7-$10/hr in 1990. Nobody will even look at a taking a construction job today for less than $25/hr. Starting CPA's straight out of college were in the $26K-$30K range in 1990. Today that same starting rate is $60K - $65K. Electrical engineers were starting out in the $28K - $32K range in 1990. Today it is $68K - $75K. Federal minimum wage was $3.80/hr in 1990. Even that has doubled. Every example shows that wages have at the very least doubled, yet that BS you posted shows that household income has only increased by 12% over a 35 yr period. If you think rationally, that is a logically impossible number if you are comparing apples to apples. You've got to look at the math behind those numbers and how they are calculated. How many households are now completely living on welfare and being recorded as household, yet they have $0 household income since nobody in the household has a job? In 1990 there were 25 million people on some sort of govt assistance/welfare. Today that same number is 106 million on some sort of govt assistance/welfare. How many people working good jobs in the 90's have retired and now only have social security for their household income? Workforce participation is way down as a result of the increase in welfare programs and benefits. In general, the US population has become lazy as hell and nobody wants to work a real job. Everyone wants to work from home or on-line and nobody want to work in the trades. How much of today's income is now being made "under the table" and not ever reported (everybody has a side gig)?
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That's bad math and a complete lack of analytical ability to even post that BS Gomer. The average calculate hourly wage rate in 1990 was $17.87. The average calculated hourly wage rate in 2026 is $37.38. We were paying basic construction labor $7-$10/hr in 1990. Nobody will even look at a taking a construction job today for less than $25/hr. Starting CPA's straight out of college were in the $26K-$30K range in 1990. Today that same starting rate is $60K - $65K. Electrical engineers were starting out in the $28K - $32K range in 1990. Today it is $68K - $75K. Federal minimum wage was $3.80/hr in 1990. Even that has doubled. Every example shows that wages have at the very least doubled, yet that BS you posted shows that household income has only increased by 12% over a 35 yr period. If you think rationally, that is a logically impossible number if you are comparing apples to apples. You've got to look at the math behind those numbers and how they are calculated. How many households are now completely living on welfare and being recorded as household, yet they have $0 household income since nobody in the household has a job? In 1990 there were 25 million people on some sort of govt assistance/welfare. Today that same number is 106 million on some sort of govt assistance/welfare. How many people working good jobs in the 90's have retired and now only have social security for their household income? Workforce participation is way down as a result of the increase in welfare programs and benefits. In general, the US population has become lazy as hell and nobody wants to work a real job. Everyone wants to work from home or on-line and nobody want to work in the trades. How much of today's income is now being made "under the table" and not ever reported (everybody has a side gig)? ![[Linked Image from i.pinimg.com]](https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a3/3e/97/a33e977313ed2c058e20f454b57c15ce.jpg) It's funny that you accuse me of "bad math and a complete lack of analytical ability" when you are completely disregarding 2 things: 1. The numbers I posted above were adjusted for inflation....increased 12% after adjusting 1990 figures into 2025 dollars. That's why I specifically said, FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES, "converted to $2025". By YOUR example of starting CPA's making $26k in 1990....today, that would be the equivalent to $65,700. That would indicate that income in that particular field has actually dropped. 2. The examples you're using are specific industries. The figures I posted are national averages. The numbers are out there. They'll vary a little depending on the source, but most sources will be relatively close.
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What’s the solution?
I’m curious what else there is other than develop a money management plan and execute it.
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What’s the solution?
I’m curious what else there is other than develop a money management plan and execute it. I'm on Only Fan's, its mostly feet stuff. It pay's pretty good.
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What’s the solution?
I’m curious what else there is other than develop a money management plan and execute it. I'm on Only Fan's, its mostly feet stuff. It pay's pretty good. as long as James' credit card doesn't decline...
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What’s the solution?
I’m curious what else there is other than develop a money management plan and execute it. I'm on Only Fan's, it’s mostly feet stuff. It pay's pretty good. MOSTLY feet stuff? I don’t even want to know….
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You know what..i really dont know what to say in these threads…im understanding that i dont really belong on this forum..Im too young to have any relatable experience with most of you…you just make me sad and angry😐
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What’s the solution?
I’m curious what else there is other than develop a money management plan and execute it. make people get back to work and get rid of welfare. If you are able bodied and under 65 yrs old and not independently wealthy, go to work or dont eat. Google and AI both say that there are 106 million people in the US on some sort of govt assistance. That's ridiculous. Solves a bunch of problems. Everyone in south Alabama and NW FL are looking for employees and no good candidates or people just not applying. Big issue is that nobody can pass a drug test or background check anymore.
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