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Here is my opinion: Because he doesn't want to hurt citizens and only wants to kill their leaders. I think that was the plan early on. I think we figured the people would rise up. Unfortunately they have been conditioned to living under a terrorist regime for so long they are afraid to do anything. It will be the same with North Korea. It was also the same in the Confederate South. The slaves never rose up and the only time they fought against the Confederacy was after they had been emancipated, fled to the Northern side or were physically freed by Union forces, trained to fight, given a uniform and a rifle. Even then they were all commanded by white officers. To get a society that has been enslaved to revolt is a difficult task. You not only need to change the situation, but you also need to change people's mindset and that's a harder thing to do. Wow, I may have just come up with a new Psych term. What you are describing is what I would label Collective Stockholm Syndrome. I think that is a very astute observation on your part with the comparison to the Confederacy. Kudos. i personally think of the Stockholm Syndrome as where someone held in captivity begins to sympathize with their captors. Like the Hearst girl and the Symbionese Liberation Movement. Whereas the Iranians, the Russians, The Chinese, The North Koreans, The Confederate slaves, etc... Have all just been beaten down so much by their government that they simply just kind of give up on life as we westerners have learned to know it. I have met and worked with quite a few guys from Russia and Eastern Europe during the Soviet times and I can tell you 100% to this day they still have a very defeatist mindset and tend to look at things like, "Well, this is just as good as it gets." Whereas we, who have been raised in relative freedom, look at a situation and go, "This crap needs to change and we all need to do something about it!" This is why regime change in certain countries is so difficult. How do you change people from all they have know their whole life?
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Threats play out in 5 hours. The guys may call his bluff.
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Threats play out in 5 hours. The guys may call his bluff. Pakistan has given Trump a Taco salad bar to work with in the form of a request for a 2-week extension for negotiations. Odd's are he will take it. We will find out tonight at 7pm CST.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Vance said progress had been made. I figure that’s his off ramp
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Doing the best I can.
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Y'all post this at the same time I start a thread about it. LOL!
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Y'all post this at the same time I start a thread about it. LOL! Grated minds thank alike. 
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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So the man threatening to blow up electric power stations and bridges? Why did he wait? Seems to me get that first? Are there rules when you’re killing/kicking tail? Why not stop all of it the first few shots a month ago? I don’t know. Y'all do understand that, when power stations and such become fair game, you will need to get ready to pay more the material things we so dearly love. Our price for aluminum jumped another 18% yesterday. Iran has now bombed two aluminum processing plants. Even if the processors are left unharmed, they can't function without electricity. It won't just hit the automotive guys. Aluminum is used in everything from appliances to toothpaste, cosmetics, and antacids. And aluminum is just one item. So we don't wage war against aluminum producers because it will raise prices ? mmmkay. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is understand that prices are going to continue to go up, at least in the near future. Our price on ingots went from ~$1.60/# to ~$1.92/# in a week. Before the Russia/Ukraine war started, we were around $1.10. It's also harder to get, not 100% because of the war. The tariffs had their desired affect of bringing people back to US sources. The problem with that is the sources weren't ready. They have yet to get to the point where they can keep up. At least that is what we are seeing. Others may be seeing different because of the aluminum they use. We have to use certified stock. And this applies to things other than aluminum.
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The rapid inflation thats coming on all goods will shock a lot of people very soon.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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So the man threatening to blow up electric power stations and bridges? Why did he wait? Seems to me get that first? Are there rules when you’re killing/kicking tail? Why not stop all of it the first few shots a month ago? I don’t know. Believe it or not.Their are rules in war. It's kinda hard to explain. But to answer your question more specifically. In this situation. There are multiple reasons not to just wipe them out on day one. You really wanna appear to be the "good guys" so that others don't join their cause. It was better to let Iran lash out. It's better to let other countries feel the sting of the strait being closed. That way they offer you Intel, let you fly in their airspace, maybe even use airstrips, etc Causing a humanitarian crisis for civilians isn't a good look, unless you have exhausted all options. I'm pretty sure the president is gonna make them uncomfortable tonight, but he's not gonna wipe them from existence.
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Civilians have formed human chains around key infrastructure sites in Iran, like power stations and bridges. I'm sure some folks will say kill them all anyway. I'm sure some folks will say the Iranian government is forcing them to do it. If they are being forced by the Iranian government should we kill them all anyway?
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Civilians have formed human chains around key infrastructure sites in Iran, like power stations and bridges. I'm sure some folks will say kill them all anyway. I'm sure some folks will say the Iranian government is forcing them to do it. If they are being forced by the Iranian government should we kill them all anyway? We're pretty surgical with our strikes. Hopefully they'll have their cell phones out and get some good footage to post and BDA.
How you do anything is how you do everything
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I have said it before, Trump is not going to go on mainstream media and tell them (or anyone else) what we are going to do and when. He is keeping them chasing a laser pointer on the wall. Much of war is about deceiving the enemy and keeping them guessing. He is doing a fine job of it too.
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"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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