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RR Soybeans have been "genetically altered/modified".
"Selective breeding" has been done since the beginning of time. Dogs are great examples.
Many clubs have unintentionally supported inferior buck breeding by supporting a "8 pts or better" mentality. The older 4-5 yr old six or seven point walks into view along with a perfect 2 yr old basket rack eight point.... you know which one gets shot. It's called high-grading.
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That's selective breeding of animals with superior genes.
To alter a gene would require removing or changing part of its DNA.
Question - isn't "selective breeding" how they "altered" roundup ready soybeans, or did they actually do gene splices? They inserted the RR gene.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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they ain't genetically "altered", just genetically different. I wish ya'll would quit saying that......
bout like saying they feed those deer steroids to make em big..... how are genetics not altered when you take a 200" buck and a doe that has dropped several 200" bucks and put them together and then release their offspring in a pen in an attempt to change genetics? Maybe I'm using the wrong word but isn't the idea to change (alter) genetics? Sounds like altering to me and Mr. Webster. per Mr. Webster: Alter, to make some change in,to vary. there has been no change to the genetics, only the expression of the genetics that are present. Do some research...
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I thought I straightened everyone out on the difference between genetic modification and selective breeding weeks ago? Right in this thread! Do you guys not believe it when an authority speaks? 
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they ain't genetically "altered", just genetically different. I wish ya'll would quit saying that......
bout like saying they feed those deer steroids to make em big..... how are genetics not altered when you take a 200" buck and a doe that has dropped several 200" bucks and put them together and then release their offspring in a pen in an attempt to change genetics? Maybe I'm using the wrong word but isn't the idea to change (alter) genetics? Sounds like altering to me and Mr. Webster. per Mr. Webster: Alter, to make some change in,to vary. there has been no change to the genetics, only the expression of the genetics that are present. Do some research... I second this.
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I thought I straightened everyone out on the difference between genetic modification and selective breeding weeks ago? Right in this thread! Do you guys not believe it when an authority speaks? I believe ya preacher, others? not so much!!!!
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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That's selective breeding of animals with superior genes.
To alter a gene would require removing or changing part of its DNA.
I stand corrected...selective breeding it is...selective breeding and wildlife shouldn't be used in the same sentence...
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That's selective breeding of animals with superior genes.
To alter a gene would require removing or changing part of its DNA.
I stand corrected...selective breeding it is...selective breeding and wildlife shouldn't be used in the same sentence... preacher has another convert.... 
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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>>>preacher has another convert.... <<< Its so much easier when you have the truth on your side.
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I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Therefore, we are obligated to use caution before allowing such activity to occur.".
Well its a little late for the BEFORE part! Hopefully we can get it prohibited permanently and the animals that have already been released are disease free. Something is troubling me a little as to why it is just now being prohibited. Why not immediately when we first learned of it? Money talking?
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Well, the project had all their propagandist out there promoting it. Looks like they finally got the proper attention.
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I thought they had already released some bucks, those pics weren't real. How many Does does a mature buck actually breed? I know they limit them in pens cause of high mortality rates if they breed too many.
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I have a question. A deer bread in a 5 acre breeding pen, along with the other limited amount of deer bred into an enclosure is more prone to disease than a deer eating corn out of a feeder for an extended period of time? We're the deer artificially inseminated and releasedrather being pinned in an enclosure to ensure breeding? It is my understanding that deer breeders and captive deer in an enclosure have to adhere to strict guidelines from the state and regulated by an appointed biologist? Just asking.....
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better late than never...
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The government is probably jealous because they didn't do
it when they had a chance during the restocking efforts long
ago. Now they have Delayed Guilt Complex (DGC) and it is
expressing itself now with the ban order.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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I have a new question.
I have no problem with releasing deer, but I also have no problem with the state deciding they believe it shouldn't be done and making it illegal.
However, I do have a problem with them only banning it for people that do not have a high fence. Why not make it illegal for everyone? Aren't they cherrypicking? Are the deer in the free range more important than the deer in the fence (which are also regulated by the state). I asked a state biologist the other day if a fence stopped disease from spreading. His answer was that as far as he could decide there is just as much chance of disease spreading from a deer in a fence into the free range as it is if one was released into the free range.
In other words, the fence does not stop disease. He did add that if you were to double fence a property with a long distance between the fences that it may lower the risk, but Alabama does not require that. Also, the state does not define what an "enclosure" is. I can put a 4' chainlink fence up that is only 20'x20' and turn as many breeder deer loose as I want to in it. It is not illegal for them to jump the fence and run away.
My question is......Why the ban on free range but not fence?
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Maybe a little. But isn't it a legitimate question that deserves an answer from the state?
If the conservation department is concerned with the health of the wildlife and are making decisions that are in line with that and not politically motivated, shouldn't they protect all the wildlife they regulate in the same manner? Just my thoughts.....
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