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I just questioned ai and it said they paid 100 billion in taxes. an average of 8889.00 each. Please explain this to me

You have to tell ai to not b.s you to give you the real scoop on it

But they got $ 8,889 X 10 in government give aways. Ask ai about that.

that is bullshit

Dang I was hunting a loop hole for myself. I get a 1099 from Jackson county and other places I have to pay taxes on.!I just feel better that they are paying their fair share

Here's what GROK responded with on what they paid in federal income and unemployment taxes.

Based on recent estimates from various sources, the amount of federal income and employment (payroll) taxes paid per undocumented immigrant varies significantly depending on the methodology and assumptions used. I'll outline the key figures from two prominent but ideologically differing organizations: the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a left-leaning think tank, and the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group focused on reducing immigration. These represent a range of stakeholder perspectives, as both have been cited in policy debates, though critics argue each has biases—ITEP in potentially overestimating tax compliance and FAIR in underestimating revenues while inflating population counts and costs.
ITEP Estimate (2022 Data)
ITEP's analysis, widely referenced across multiple reports, uses an estimated undocumented population of 10.9 million.121e2e They calculate total federal taxes paid at $59.4 billion, which equates to about $5,449 per person. This includes:
Federal payroll/employment taxes (Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance): $33.9 billion total, or approximately $3,110 per person.
Federal income taxes: Not broken out separately but implied as the remainder ($25.5 billion), or about $2,339 per person.
Combined federal income and employment taxes: Roughly $5,449 per person (the full federal amount, as other federal taxes like excise are minimal or omitted).
ITEP's methodology assumes high tax compliance rates (e.g., via withholding and ITIN filings) and focuses solely on taxes borne by undocumented immigrants themselves, excluding U.S.-born children. They note that over a third of these payments fund programs like Social Security and Medicare that undocumented immigrants are largely ineligible for.8e4420b08676 Similar figures appear in analyses from groups like the American Immigration Council and the Tax Policy Center, with 2023 estimates around $66 billion in federal income and payroll taxes (about $6,000 per person for an 11 million population).cf0006078ba9
FAIR Estimate (2023 Data)
FAIR, which advocates for stricter immigration enforcement, uses a higher estimated undocumented population of 15.5 million (excluding U.S.-born children for tax calculations but including them in cost attributions).3753f2 They report gross federal taxes at $24.6 billion (net $16.2 billion after refundable credits), equating to about $1,587 per person gross. Breaking it down:
Federal payroll/employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare): $19.5 billion total, or approximately $1,258 per person.
Federal income taxes: $4.1 billion total, or about $265 per person.
Combined federal income and employment taxes: Roughly $1,523 per person gross ($23.6 billion total, excluding minor excise taxes).
FAIR's approach assumes lower average earnings, higher underground economy participation (reducing reported taxes), and subtracts refundable credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit ($3 billion) and Additional Child Tax Credit ($5.4 billion) claimed via ITINs or mixed-status households.71b208 They emphasize that these taxes cover only about 17% of the $182 billion gross costs they attribute to illegal immigration (net burden $150.7 billion), including education and healthcare for U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants, which they count as immigration-related expenses.42a28a0e5eec
Key Differences and Context
Population and Scope: ITEP's lower population (10.9-11 million) aligns with Pew Research and the Center for Migration Studies, leading to higher per-person figures.a0d9f1 FAIR's 15.5 million includes groups like DACA recipients and parolees as "illegal," diluting per-person taxes while expanding costs to cover 5.4 million U.S.-born children.0aa713
Assumptions: ITEP focuses on direct taxes paid and assumes broader compliance, substantiated by IRS data on ITIN filings and withholding.f7ddb8 FAIR adjusts downward for tax avoidance and upward for costs, including benefits for citizen children, which critics like the Cato Institute and American Immigration Council argue overstates burdens and undercounts revenues (e.g., ignoring economic contributions beyond taxes).2881b7adca11
Net Impact: Both agree undocumented immigrants pay substantial payroll taxes but are ineligible for most benefits funded by them. However, FAIR claims a large net drain ($150.7 billion overall), while ITEP and others like the Congressional Budget Office suggest immigrants (including undocumented) often pay more in taxes than they receive in services over time.b58f0d121c87
These estimates are not definitive, as actual tax data on undocumented immigrants is limited due to their status. Independent sources like the CBO report varying impacts, with recent immigration surges adding both revenues (e.g., sales taxes) and costs (e.g., education).7f23b1 For the most current or state-specific data, consulting IRS or government reports directly is recommended.

I think if we sent them all back to where they came from we could sort this out. Might decide we did not need them . Make these protesters get a job and maybe they can contribute. Stop all these stupid government giveaways then they could cut our taxes.

Now, here's the response about the benefits the illegals received.

Based on recent estimates from various sources, the amount of federal income and employment (payroll) taxes paid per undocumented immigrant varies significantly depending on the methodology and assumptions used. I'll outline the key figures from two prominent but ideologically differing organizations: the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a left-leaning think tank, and the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group focused on reducing immigration. These represent a range of stakeholder perspectives, as both have been cited in policy debates, though critics argue each has biases—ITEP in potentially overestimating tax compliance and FAIR in underestimating revenues while inflating population counts and costs.
ITEP Estimate (2022 Data)
ITEP's analysis, widely referenced across multiple reports, uses an estimated undocumented population of 10.9 million.121e2e They calculate total federal taxes paid at $59.4 billion, which equates to about $5,449 per person. This includes:
Federal payroll/employment taxes (Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance): $33.9 billion total, or approximately $3,110 per person.
Federal income taxes: Not broken out separately but implied as the remainder ($25.5 billion), or about $2,339 per person.
Combined federal income and employment taxes: Roughly $5,449 per person (the full federal amount, as other federal taxes like excise are minimal or omitted).
ITEP's methodology assumes high tax compliance rates (e.g., via withholding and ITIN filings) and focuses solely on taxes borne by undocumented immigrants themselves, excluding U.S.-born children. They note that over a third of these payments fund programs like Social Security and Medicare that undocumented immigrants are largely ineligible for.8e4420b08676 Similar figures appear in analyses from groups like the American Immigration Council and the Tax Policy Center, with 2023 estimates around $66 billion in federal income and payroll taxes (about $6,000 per person for an 11 million population).cf0006078ba9
FAIR Estimate (2023 Data)
FAIR, which advocates for stricter immigration enforcement, uses a higher estimated undocumented population of 15.5 million (excluding U.S.-born children for tax calculations but including them in cost attributions).3753f2 They report gross federal taxes at $24.6 billion (net $16.2 billion after refundable credits), equating to about $1,587 per person gross. Breaking it down:
Federal payroll/employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare): $19.5 billion total, or approximately $1,258 per person.
Federal income taxes: $4.1 billion total, or about $265 per person.
Combined federal income and employment taxes: Roughly $1,523 per person gross ($23.6 billion total, excluding minor excise taxes).
FAIR's approach assumes lower average earnings, higher underground economy participation (reducing reported taxes), and subtracts refundable credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit ($3 billion) and Additional Child Tax Credit ($5.4 billion) claimed via ITINs or mixed-status households.71b208 They emphasize that these taxes cover only about 17% of the $182 billion gross costs they attribute to illegal immigration (net burden $150.7 billion), including education and healthcare for U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants, which they count as immigration-related expenses.42a28a0e5eec
Key Differences and Context
Population and Scope: ITEP's lower population (10.9-11 million) aligns with Pew Research and the Center for Migration Studies, leading to higher per-person figures.a0d9f1 FAIR's 15.5 million includes groups like DACA recipients and parolees as "illegal," diluting per-person taxes while expanding costs to cover 5.4 million U.S.-born children.0aa713
Assumptions: ITEP focuses on direct taxes paid and assumes broader compliance, substantiated by IRS data on ITIN filings and withholding.f7ddb8 FAIR adjusts downward for tax avoidance and upward for costs, including benefits for citizen children, which critics like the Cato Institute and American Immigration Council argue overstates burdens and undercounts revenues (e.g., ignoring economic contributions beyond taxes).2881b7adca11
Net Impact: Both agree undocumented immigrants pay substantial payroll taxes but are ineligible for most benefits funded by them. However, FAIR claims a large net drain ($150.7 billion overall), while ITEP and others like the Congressional Budget Office suggest immigrants (including undocumented) often pay more in taxes than they receive in services over time.b58f0d121c87
These estimates are not definitive, as actual tax data on undocumented immigrants is limited due to their status. Independent sources like the CBO report varying impacts, with recent immigration surges adding both revenues (e.g., sales taxes) and costs (e.g., education).7f23b1 For the most current or state-specific data, consulting IRS or government reports directly is recommended.

Hmmm, looks like the illegals certainly are not paying their fair share!

The question is not whether they pay taxes. Everyone pays taxes, you can't buy a pack a gum or gallon of gas without paying taxes. The question is net benefit.

Correct on sales tax we are talking about income tax. I vote send them all back . Cut all these government give aways. Even the bible says he that does not work does not eat. Nehimiah built the wall in trouble times. Build the wall and drill baby drill. Cut my taxes1 Anything I missed

I want to know the additional cost to the economy to have to press 1 for english, have spanish speaking teachers, staff, interpreters, spanish documents and websites, etc. How much extra is our uninsured motorist insurance?

The simple solution is to have a federal flat sales tax, rather than an income tax. At least we could collect it from them when they purchase.

How much does it raise the cost of insurance for every US citizen annually as a result of hospitals being required to provide unreimbursed care for them. The cost of those services are written off as uncollectible annually which raises the cost of healthcare services nationwide. If you factor in the peripheral impacts on costs associated with all of these illegals being in the US: such as housing impacts, school services impacts, govt services impacts, food, clothing, vehicle insurance, utilities, police, fire, water, sewer, crime, etc. They are easily costing the US citizen taxpayers probably closer to a trillion a year. Send them all back and let's see what the US budget situation looks like after a year, with 15-20 million less, sucking on the govt tit. My prediction is you'll also see a big drop year over year in democrat states, with regard to the total number of votes that democrats get there, in the state and city elections.

How much of our money do they send out of the country?
How much of that pays for cartels and state sponsored terrorist.

That's $8.89.

Well according to my internet search that number is any where from 150 billion a year and up lol. Now I don't know if that includes Minnesota

Social Security is a pay-as-you-go system that only works if the working population keeps growing. Once birth rates fall below replacement, the math breaks unless you cut benefits, raise retirement ages, raise taxes, or import workers.

No party wants to touch benefits, and seniors vote. So immigration becomes the default solution—even when politicians pretend it’s about something else.

That’s why payroll taxes paid by immigrants, including many who will never collect benefits, quietly prop up the system. It’s not a moral judgment—it’s actuarial reality.

Every Western country is facing the same problem. The U.S. has leaned on immigration because it works faster than any other option.

If we truly want less immigration, we have to accept smaller benefits, later retirement, or higher taxes. No one wants to run on that, so we get posturing instead of honesty.

The good news is the developed world is right with us. China has a huge problem being commie and the one child policy. Learn Swahili is all I can do...

Bingo

How much does not go to healthcare which we have to eat on health care costs?

Shootem up Tex as they say in parliamentary procedure your point is well taken. That got me to thinking also the Ponzi scheme post. The solution in my opinion is to look up how many people are not working. Say 60 and under years old. There is our solution