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Its very possible that someone could release high fence does under the radar and introduce a different doe lineage into a small area somewhere……You might be getting bucks dispersing from those populations…..Another reason for not doing any more fetal sampling…..You would know that was occurring if you started sampling in an area where it was happening in a county like Monroe that shouldnt have anything other than Jan does…..Without the sampling all you have is some stories of someone that saw a buck chasing does in Nov where you can just chalk it up to “That’s just Alabama for you!”

Never saw one chasing in November but have seen a ton of young bucks harassing does during the early turkey season when it used to open in mid march.

The state didn't . In fact fetal studies for Jackson County confirmed what most of the Hillbillies already knew.

What year did they come out with that rut map??.....Seems like that's been quite a while ago......Its never been updated or modified to show more accuracy.....It could be drawn with much more intricacy if they wanted to

Man that sounds like fine job for you CNC! Put your skills to work on a new rut map

Here we go!

You seem to contradict yourself here. You are correct that the rut is not as complex as we once thought. Other than yearling does, the timing of estrous is going to be based on her genetics inherited from wherever her ancestors were released from, triggered by photoperiod. Pretty simple. It's not full moons, barometric pressure, cold fronts, or any other trigger your grandfather told you about in 1980. This is settled science at this point.


Because it is not the state's job to tell me exactly the week of peak rut for every square mile of land in the state. I appreciate the prior studies that resulted in general guidance rut maps. But like Matt Brock said earlier, deer hunting is supposed to come with challenges and variance at the individual level. The state couldn't possibly document every little block of land where the rut varies, especially near shifting boundaries where one rut lineage is pressing against another. I like the studies, but if limited funds and resources have to be allocated, I don't really need the state to tell me when the rut is where I hunt. I know it every year within about a week.



You think the state intentionally conspired to give us a crazy rut and now there is a coverup????

Naw......I think some big whigs or special interest didnt like what was being shown to the public and probably had it "abruptly shut down" as Matt said

I’m not following, you’ll have to dumb it down for me?

I assume you mean that data didn’t support the extended seasons in much of the state?

I’m certain the data did not support the extension and this must be his inference. Surely there would be no reason for the state not to want hunters to have insight into their rut dates.

So, will the rut be off this year due to no data from the state?

What year were the deer from other states brought here?

Nope!!

From the 1920s to the 1990s.

Let me explain it like this……if we were to go into Clarke Co for example where the rut is pretty much all late Jan across the board and we turned loose 50 does that had a Nov estrous date…….How much competition do you think there would be for those 50 hot does in Nov when no other does were hot??

That concept is playing out in the wild in certain areas due to the way things got restocked where lineages overlap……It’s the very reason why Slayinbucks sees all of the activity he sees……His population of does is probably something in the neighborhood of 50% Dec does and 50% Jan does…..or something of that nature……But because half the doe population comes in a month ahead of the others it creates a much different buck to hot doe ratio when it happens…..especially when just a few miles down the road its 90% Jan does and nothing is in heat during Dec…..Where do you think the bucks from those surrounding areas with Jan does go in Dec??

There are gonna be properties in multiple areas around the state where these lineages overlap that experience something similar……Continuing the fetal studies would make these site specific properties more and more obvious to the public if they kept refining the map to show more accuracy……Those two little orange dots in Bibb and south Jefferson for example are prime examples of it just coming into focus

I figured your trusted land specialists would know all of this......

Question for Double Creek and T-hatchie since y’all seemed interested in the topic…….Now this is totally hypothetical, no way anyone would actually do this………But lets just say us three were gonna turn loose those 50 Nov does into Clarke Co……What would be our best strategy for doing such so that we could take advantage of it from a hunting aspect?....Would we just turn them loose in the center of our property and hope for the best??.....Would we tie them to a tree and keep them on a rope? How would we go about it??

One, how do you acquire 50 Nov estrus does? I don’t see any on Facebook marketplace. Two, there is no legal means to release those deer into the wild.

This is completely hypothetical remember… …..Give it some thought…..a little brain storming and see what you come up with

Hypothetically it is possible, but financially and logistically there is no scenario where it is realistic.