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If private schools weren’t winning all these championships, this wouldn’t even be a conversation, but they are.
Hence the OP’s original post and topic. All what championships? If i counted right (on my phone and having to scroll back and forth/ up and down and may have missed a couple), since 2000 (just picked a good round year to start), in football there have been 161 AHSAA football championship games played. Private schools won 24...public schools won 137. Hell, I bet hoover and Thompson have won as many as the all the private schools (after double checking, Hoover and Thompson combined for 16). Double checked and updated with correct #s Look at the numbers from 2010 on in 1a -3a and see the number of championships Maplesville has been doing pretty good in 1A football during that time...
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Trying to say there's no deference in private and public school recruiting is just plain stupid. The public schools just need individuals to live in specific areas. Private schools are giving scholarships that include tuition and fees being waved, there's no comparison.
When my son played in the west mobile park league they were offered during middle school years lol. City run school systems are doing the same thing Every kid on the public school team is on scholarship. Zero public school players pay to go to school there. Unless it’s a city school and the kid lives out of the school zone. Every kid that goes to a city run school that's a resident goes to school for free, I wouldn't call that a scholarship. I admit that when I said "public schools" I meant schools in a public school system like Mobile or Baldwin County. I personally wouldn't call a city ran school a public school even though they are. Boathand got those panties in a wad pretty quick lol
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It is that simple. It’s EXACTLY what I said it is and you reinforced it. You said the school system limits itself on what it can spend money on. That is exactly what I said it was. They are choosing not to make it a priority.
Level the playing field… that’s exactly what the goal was when preferential treatment was given to black poor people.
You need to go read the rules per the AHSAA rule book and see exactly what private schools are allowed to do that public schools are not. Read it and please tell me what rule is keeping it from being a level playing field. You know there isn’t one. A public school can spend what they want on athletics. So can a private school. If you read it you will see that there ARE rules that put private schools at a disadvantage. 2 rules to be exact. 1. The multiplier and 2. the success penalty.
It amazes me that red blooded southern Americans don’t get this. If a public school like Hoover or Saraland has success for 3, 4, 5 years in a row everyone claps and says good job. St. Paul’s does it and people think it’s unfair and have to figure out a way to hold them back. You don’t want to raise your standard to be successful but you wanna penalize someone else for doing it. Absolutely insane.
I tell you what’s gonna happen if people keep belly aching about this. The big private schools are going to leave the AHSAA and take a bunch of public schools with them and start their own association. Then the AHSAA will be left with a bunch of crappy, poor programs that no talent is going to want to play for or against. The gap will get wider. Why do you think the AHSAA hasn’t pushed it any further? They know what will happen.
Private school’s pay the same amount of money to be in the AHSAA as public schools do. So the money isn’t hardly any different. Private schools do travel in the playoffs better and that’s the only gate money that the AHSAA gets. No sir... didn't reinforce a thing you said and you clearly have never experienced this type of situation. If a county board system puts these restrictions in place, the schools in that county can't do what a private school can do - they can't "spend what they want". When that happens, the choice of any individual school within that particular system is taken away. That's different than a private school that doesn't have a board to tie its hands. And while recruiting does take place in both public and private institutions, private institutions I'm familiar with have several players from outside their zoned area. That's different than public schools who are limited to kids in their zone. And coaches in our HS have to come from the teaching ranks... private schools I'm familiar with can hire anyone they wish. That's different. As far as the preferential treatment idea goes, I lived when Affirmative Action was being practiced and this discussion is apples and oranges to that. AA wasn't just about "leveling the field"... As far as the monies go, there is indeed a financial reason the AHSAA don't want to lose private schools from their association. Playoff gate money belongs to the AHSAA and as you correctly observe, private schools travel better and generally spend more. IMO, that's why there's such a reluctance to do anything about it and your point about a decrease in overall talent would be a factor as well.
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It is that simple. It’s EXACTLY what I said it is and you reinforced it. You said the school system limits itself on what it can spend money on. That is exactly what I said it was. They are choosing not to make it a priority.
Level the playing field… that’s exactly what the goal was when preferential treatment was given to black poor people.
You need to go read the rules per the AHSAA rule book and see exactly what private schools are allowed to do that public schools are not. Read it and please tell me what rule is keeping it from being a level playing field. You know there isn’t one. A public school can spend what they want on athletics. So can a private school. If you read it you will see that there ARE rules that put private schools at a disadvantage. 2 rules to be exact. 1. The multiplier and 2. the success penalty.
It amazes me that red blooded southern Americans don’t get this. If a public school like Hoover or Saraland has success for 3, 4, 5 years in a row everyone claps and says good job. St. Paul’s does it and people think it’s unfair and have to figure out a way to hold them back. You don’t want to raise your standard to be successful but you wanna penalize someone else for doing it. Absolutely insane.
I tell you what’s gonna happen if people keep belly aching about this. The big private schools are going to leave the AHSAA and take a bunch of public schools with them and start their own association. Then the AHSAA will be left with a bunch of crappy, poor programs that no talent is going to want to play for or against. The gap will get wider. Why do you think the AHSAA hasn’t pushed it any further? They know what will happen.
Private school’s pay the same amount of money to be in the AHSAA as public schools do. So the money isn’t hardly any different. Private schools do travel in the playoffs better and that’s the only gate money that the AHSAA gets. No sir... didn't reinforce a thing you said and you clearly have never experienced this type of situation. If a county board system puts these restrictions in place, the schools in that county can't do what a private school can do - they can't "spend what they want". When that happens, the choice of any individual school within that particular system is taken away. That's different than a private school that doesn't have a board to tie its hands. And while recruiting does take place in both public and private institutions, private institutions I'm familiar with have several players from outside their zoned area. That's different than public schools who are limited to kids in their zone. And coaches in our HS have to come from the teaching ranks... private schools I'm familiar with can hire anyone they wish. That's different. As far as the preferential treatment idea goes, I lived when Affirmative Action was being practiced and this discussion is apples and oranges to that. AA wasn't just about "leveling the field"... As far as the monies go, there is indeed a financial reason the AHSAA don't want to lose private schools from their association. Playoff gate money belongs to the AHSAA and as you correctly observe, private schools travel better and generally spend more. IMO, that's why there's such a reluctance to do anything about it and your point about a decrease in overall talent would be a factor as well. Looking back at mine and your conversation on this, it basically went like this: Me: the people running the school system need to make it a priority You: they can’t because the people running the school system won’t make it a priority Me: yeah that’s what I’m saying… You: no the people running the school system is the county. So I’ll say again. The people running the school system need to make it a priority. Coaches do not have to come from your teaching ranks. The people running the school system decided that. Public schools can also let students who don’t live in their zone come to their school. There are no laws against it, public schools do it all the time. Transfer rules in the AHSAA apply to public and private schools the same. You can’t say you aren’t allowed to do stuff that private schools do when it’s the people running your school system that won’t let you do it. You are absolutely reinforcing what my point is. All the stuff you are complaining about that you can’t do… other public schools do it. So it’s not that your school isn’t allowed, it’s that your school chooses not to.
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School zoning is state law
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Rush Propst ain't nothing but a winnah !!!!!!!!
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Rush Propst ain't nothing but a winnah !!!!!!!! He’s a POS sleaze,and I would not want him anywhere around my young man.
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There’s only 4 private school teams out of 28 in the state finals. That’s 14% and I’m sure they are in the lower size classifications.
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Rush Propst ain't nothing but a winnah !!!!!!!! He’s a POS sleaze,and I would not want him anywhere around my young man. Coosa is in the finals. Sleaze or no sleaze - he's a winnah !!!!!!!
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Probably would have been in the finals anyway.
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School zoning is state law Lots of Alabama school districts provide waivers to allow out-of-district transfers, if there is a hardship or if space is available within the school. Not all, some absolutely refuse to budge on it, but a lot of them do. Miraculously, it seems that room is always available for the star QB, DB, RB, WR, or LB, but sometimes room cannot be found for the straight A student attempting to move to a better or more challenging educational setting. Recruiting has always happened and it will continue to happen. Just be glad that Alabama has the rules in place, that they do. High school recruiting in GA and FL operates just like the NCAA under the new portal and transfer rules. Do what you want and no need to even try to hide it.
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School zoning is state law Lots of Alabama school districts provide waivers to allow out-of-district transfers, if there is a hardship or if space is available within the school. Not all, some absolutely refuse to budge on it, but a lot of them do. Miraculously, it seems that room is always available for the star QB, DB, RB, WR, or LB, but sometimes room cannot be found for the straight A student attempting to move to a better or more challenging educational setting. Recruiting has always happened and it will continue to happen. Just be glad that Alabama has the rules in place, that they do. High school recruiting in GA and FL operates just like the NCAA under the new portal and transfer rules. Do what you want and no need to even try to hide it. Like I said, look at Texas. They have private schools that are Athletics Focused Private Schools. https://www.usatodayhss.com/story/s...s-high-schools-for-athletes/83377648007/
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School zoning is state law Sorry I don’t think that’s correct. School zones as far as speed limits yes 😂 School boards decide school districts though.
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It is that simple. It’s EXACTLY what I said it is and you reinforced it. You said the school system limits itself on what it can spend money on. That is exactly what I said it was. They are choosing not to make it a priority.
Level the playing field… that’s exactly what the goal was when preferential treatment was given to black poor people.
You need to go read the rules per the AHSAA rule book and see exactly what private schools are allowed to do that public schools are not. Read it and please tell me what rule is keeping it from being a level playing field. You know there isn’t one. A public school can spend what they want on athletics. So can a private school. If you read it you will see that there ARE rules that put private schools at a disadvantage. 2 rules to be exact. 1. The multiplier and 2. the success penalty.
It amazes me that red blooded southern Americans don’t get this. If a public school like Hoover or Saraland has success for 3, 4, 5 years in a row everyone claps and says good job. St. Paul’s does it and people think it’s unfair and have to figure out a way to hold them back. You don’t want to raise your standard to be successful but you wanna penalize someone else for doing it. Absolutely insane.
I tell you what’s gonna happen if people keep belly aching about this. The big private schools are going to leave the AHSAA and take a bunch of public schools with them and start their own association. Then the AHSAA will be left with a bunch of crappy, poor programs that no talent is going to want to play for or against. The gap will get wider. Why do you think the AHSAA hasn’t pushed it any further? They know what will happen.
Private school’s pay the same amount of money to be in the AHSAA as public schools do. So the money isn’t hardly any different. Private schools do travel in the playoffs better and that’s the only gate money that the AHSAA gets. No sir... didn't reinforce a thing you said and you clearly have never experienced this type of situation. If a county board system puts these restrictions in place, the schools in that county can't do what a private school can do - they can't "spend what they want". When that happens, the choice of any individual school within that particular system is taken away. That's different than a private school that doesn't have a board to tie its hands. And while recruiting does take place in both public and private institutions, private institutions I'm familiar with have several players from outside their zoned area. That's different than public schools who are limited to kids in their zone. And coaches in our HS have to come from the teaching ranks... private schools I'm familiar with can hire anyone they wish. That's different. As far as the preferential treatment idea goes, I lived when Affirmative Action was being practiced and this discussion is apples and oranges to that. AA wasn't just about "leveling the field"... As far as the monies go, there is indeed a financial reason the AHSAA don't want to lose private schools from their association. Playoff gate money belongs to the AHSAA and as you correctly observe, private schools travel better and generally spend more. IMO, that's why there's such a reluctance to do anything about it and your point about a decrease in overall talent would be a factor as well. Looking back at mine and your conversation on this, it basically went like this: Me: the people running the school system need to make it a priority You: they can’t because the people running the school system won’t make it a priority Me: yeah that’s what I’m saying… You: no the people running the school system is the county. So I’ll say again. The people running the school system need to make it a priority. Coaches do not have to come from your teaching ranks. The people running the school system decided that. Public schools can also let students who don’t live in their zone come to their school. There are no laws against it, public schools do it all the time. Transfer rules in the AHSAA apply to public and private schools the same. You can’t say you aren’t allowed to do stuff that private schools do when it’s the people running your school system that won’t let you do it. You are absolutely reinforcing what my point is. All the stuff you are complaining about that you can’t do… other public schools do it. So it’s not that your school isn’t allowed, it’s that your school chooses not to. Notice you’re from Mobile. Maybe if I had experience in that part of the state I’d see things more like you. Assuming your time has been exclusively down there, maybe you’d see things more like me if you were from around my area. At the end of the day, my point is that no individual school in our system gets to make the decisions a private school does - that’s higher up the chain for us. And that helps create the unevenness. Possibly a solution would be to have a division that isn’t based on size… but rather what’s allowed. If you want to pump a million dollars per year into the program, so be it. If you want to allow kids who live an hour away to play… go for it. If you want to hire a retired NFL player with no ties to your school as your HC, feel free. You want to pay kids… start the cash flowing. That model works in a lot of sports groups.
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We can absolutely agree to disagree Bamarich2. But I don’t think it would matter where I am from. I just get tired of people that choose to be at a disadvantage complaining about it. People that founded private school and city schools understood that things could be better so they made it better. Some county school systems understand this and they made it better. It can be done. It’s done all the time. But to sit back and say it’s not fair when everyone is playing by the same rules (except the multiplayer and the success penalty) is just not true.
You can see I’m passionate about this. Mainly because I have been on both sides of it. It’s really not hard to understand it once you get rid of the biases.
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FYI, meemaw Ivey just opened up the CHOOSE act applications for next school year, more of your tax money going to recruit more athletes, and drain the education budget putting more strain on public schools.
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Sports just ain’t that important.
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School zoning is state law Sorry I don’t think that’s correct. School zones as far as speed limits yes 😂 School boards decide school districts though. Its state law that you go to school in your Zone.
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After watching Thompson and Opelika last night, I'd say Thompson has some exceptional homegrown boys!!!!
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Thomasville has missed out on several deep runs - a few teams in last 5 years would hav normally gone to state - but rich private schools like mobile christian or st james went instead. The rich schools are happy! One year i am referring to mobile Christian had like 8 d1 guys🤣🤣 in little 3a🤣🤣
They were introduced like - this is such and such - he has been going here since the 9th grade 🤣🤣
Some genius on here said - well - yall can do it too the last time i saw this topic! I tried explaining our school is fairly poor - lot of people going here are below middle class
I would rather the schools be seperate! NIL or schollys should hav there on league! Here is an example - say every sec school could do nil - but bama - hey that's fair right?
Amd we will not hav 8 d1 guys in 6-8 years - like every other public school we play. Some of our coaches played college ball - some of our volunteer coaches did to (they hav a clue about sports) they all say the private school thing is stupid (bettr resources which is huge unfair advantage) but rich private schools are happy
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