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I'd bet it's got something to do with all them Northern lights and the magnetic fields going whacko on planet earth right now... 
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The lower you decrease the deer population relative to the amount of food available the less competition you have for resources……which equates to less deer moving around in search of food But this (paired with sex ratio management) is my exact management philosophy. Where’s the problem? The problem is that we’re already below that threshold in many areas trying to drive the population down as far as folks can convince hunters to take it…….The goal for farming and insurance is to take it as close to zero as possible….It has nothing to do with managing at a happy medium…….For example, there will be no benefit seen from those extra 900 does that got shot…..You’re not going to suddenly have folks killing booners that weren’t before because of it…..You’re only gonna have less deer and that’s true across the majority of our counties where doe harvest is ramping up………
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I’ve never had a decrease in usage of foodplots and feeders when there’s a bumper crop of acorns. I wish it would happen, cause they’re keeping my fields mowed down right now. It would really help me bank some tonnage, if they would decrease their usage.
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The lower you decrease the deer population relative to the amount of food available the less competition you have for resources……which equates to less deer moving around in search of food But this (paired with sex ratio management) is my exact management philosophy. Where’s the problem? The problem is that we’re already below that threshold in many areas trying to drive the population down as far as folks can convince hunters to take it…….The goal for farming and insurance is to take it as close to zero as possible….It has nothing to do with managing at a happy medium…….For example, there will be no benefit seen from those extra 900 does that got shot…..You’re not going to suddenly have folks killing booners that weren’t before because of it…..You’re only gonna have less deer and that’s true across the majority of our counties where doe harvest is ramping up……… This is where some of y’alls ideas are living on a few of the best properties in the best areas……Y’all act like all we gotta do from Jackson to Mobile is get folks to shoot more does and lower the populations and bada boom bada bing…..great buck hunting for all is gonna spring forth……one fiddys on every property that participates….. Meanwhile back at the ranch…….in many areas there are very few bucks making it past 2-3 years old anymore..... I don’t think quality doe management is going to be what pushes us over the top in this scenario ……. 
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Folks that know don't shoot old does........
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Nobody in this thread said it would. 🙄
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The lower you decrease the deer population relative to the amount of food available the less competition you have for resources……which equates to less deer moving around in search of food But this (paired with sex ratio management) is my exact management philosophy. Where’s the problem? The problem is that we’re already below that threshold in many areas trying to drive the population down as far as folks can convince hunters to take it…….The goal for farming and insurance is to take it as close to zero as possible….It has nothing to do with managing at a happy medium…….For example, there will be no benefit seen from those extra 900 does that got shot…..You’re not going to suddenly have folks killing booners that weren’t before because of it…..You’re only gonna have less deer and that’s true across the majority of our counties where doe harvest is ramping up……… This is where some of y’alls ideas are living on a few of the best properties in the best areas……Y’all act like all we gotta do from Jackson to Mobile is get folks to shoot more does and lower the populations and bada boom bada bing…..great buck hunting for all is gonna spring forth……one fiddys on every property that participates….. Meanwhile back at the ranch…….in many areas there are very few bucks making it past 2-3 years old anymore..... I don’t think quality doe management is going to be what pushes us over the top in this scenario ……. Again, we totally agree that fixing buck harvest mismanagement is an important part. It’s one reason AL folks travel out of state and come home less than excited to hunt here. It takes sacrifice, ie…Missouri’s 11 day firearms season and only one firearm buck
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Again, we totally agree that fixing buck harvest mismanagement is an important part. Its not AN important part……Right now it’s the only part…….We don’t have a widespread issue of more does needing shot
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But.. I think their view might be somewhat skewed because they are now majority spending time on managed properties. The status of our deer population can be drastically different when you get away from some of these heavily managed areas. Ol’ boy is spot on about the bias ^^^^……
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But.. I think their view might be somewhat skewed because they are now majority spending time on managed properties. The status of our deer population can be drastically different when you get away from some of these heavily managed areas. Ol’ boy is spot on about the bias ^^^^…… So I guess what you're admitting, without actually saying it outright, is that the people that are heavily managing their properties for habitat, food, proper sex ratios, carrying capacity, buck age structure, and limited select harvest are the ones that are enjoying the best hunting opportunities, handling the herd correctly, and doing what is best for the overall resource. Can't imagine why everyone would not want to experience that, and be in the same situation. Everyone sure seems jealous of it. You dont have to have millions or massive properties to do it. Just takes a little hardwork, like minded neighbors, and most importantly, a whole bunch of trigger restraint (which is severely lacking all over this state "outside of these heavily managed areas"). So does that mean that you are in favor of that same type of harvest and management program being adopted statewide? Back off the doe harvest a little bit and cut the buck harvest by 70% or so?
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But.. I think their view might be somewhat skewed because they are now majority spending time on managed properties. The status of our deer population can be drastically different when you get away from some of these heavily managed areas. Ol’ boy is spot on about the bias ^^^^…… So I guess what you're admitting, without actually saying it outright, is that the people that are heavily managing their properties for habitat, food, proper sex ratios, carrying capacity, buck age structure, and limited select harvest are the ones that are enjoying the best hunting opportunities, handling the herd correctly, and doing what is best for the overall resource. Can't imagine why everyone would not want to experience that, and be in the same situation. Everyone sure seems jealous of it. You dont have to have millions or massive properties to do it. Just takes a little hardwork, like minded neighbors, and most importantly, a whole bunch of trigger restraint (which is severely lacking all over this state "outside of these heavily managed areas"). So does that mean that you are in favor of that same type of harvest and management program being adopted statewide? Back off the doe harvest a little bit and cut the buck harvest by 70% or so? I wish it was 1 buck a year per bow and firearm.
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Pwyse, just eliminating season extension and baiting would be a massive step in the right direction. A two buck limit and enforced game check system would change everything.
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Pwyse, just eliminating season extension and baiting would be a massive step in the right direction. A two buck limit and enforced game check system would change everything. You know what’s not a massive step in the right direction??........Increasing doe bag limits……Less baby makers isnt helping to create more bucks……
Folks that know don't shoot old does........
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Pwyse, just eliminating season extension and baiting would be a massive step in the right direction. A two buck limit and enforced game check system would change everything. You know what’s not a massive step in the right direction??........Increasing doe bag limits……Less baby makers isnt helping to create more bucks…… If Alabama didnt kill as many bucks (particularly in the 1-3 yr classes) then the problem could be fixed that way too. Get all the does bred in the first phase. Healthier, earlier dropped fawns statewide increasing fawn survival. Healthier, less stressed bucks coming out of the rut, increasing buck survival and overall herd health. Yeah, none of that sounds good for the herd.
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Pwyse, just eliminating season extension and baiting would be a massive step in the right direction. A two buck limit and enforced game check system would change everything. You know what’s not a massive step in the right direction??........Increasing doe bag limits……Less baby makers isnt helping to create more bucks…… If Alabama didnt kill as many bucks (particularly in the 1-3 yr classes) then the problem could be fixed that way too. Get all the does bred in the first phase. Healthier, earlier dropped fawns statewide increasing fawn survival. Healthier, less stressed bucks coming out of the rut, increasing buck survival and overall herd health. Yeah, none of that sounds good for the herd. All of this. Spotted fawns in late November tell the tale
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As far as the acorn article goes though……..The “impact” of acorns is going to have a wide varying effect across the landscape according to how much of the total land area is covered in hardwoods……That’s why Jackson County, where at least half or more of the landscape is covered in hardwoods, will likely be affected completely different than say Bullock…….
Take this scenario for example……Lets say we have a 5000 acre quail plantation that’s 80% burn units……10% fields…….5% hardwoods……5% other………If there are acorns raining on the ground in those hardwoods…..should I have trouble seeing deer??.......If you have trouble in that scenario with “where have the deer gone??”…….You have other issues than akerns…….
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Pwyse, just eliminating season extension and baiting would be a massive step in the right direction. A two buck limit and enforced game check system would change everything. You know what’s not a massive step in the right direction??........Increasing doe bag limits……Less baby makers isnt helping to create more bucks…… If Alabama didnt kill as many bucks (particularly in the 1-3 yr classes) then the problem could be fixed that way too. Get all the does bred in the first phase. Healthier, earlier dropped fawns statewide increasing fawn survival. Healthier, less stressed bucks coming out of the rut, increasing buck survival and overall herd health. Yeah, none of that sounds good for the herd. All of this. Spotted fawns in late November tell the tale Any fawns still in spots today, were bred in Feb and early March.
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As far as the acorn article goes though……..The “impact” of acorns is going to have a wide varying effect across the landscape according to how much of the total land area is covered in hardwoods……That’s why Jackson County, where at least half or more of the landscape is covered in hardwoods, will likely be affected completely different than say Bullock…….
Take this scenario for example……Lets say we have a 5000 acre quail plantation that’s 80% burn units……10% fields…….5% hardwoods……5% other………If there are acorns raining on the ground in those hardwoods…..should I have trouble seeing deer??.......If you have trouble in that scenario with “where have the deer gone??”…….You have other issues than akerns……. Unless of course, there are large stands of Oaks within say 2-3 miles of the fringes of the quail plantation, and the deer migrate over to this food source to take advantage of it, when it is available.
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As far as the acorn article goes though……..The “impact” of acorns is going to have a wide varying effect across the landscape according to how much of the total land area is covered in hardwoods……That’s why Jackson County, where at least half or more of the landscape is covered in hardwoods, will likely be affected completely different than say Bullock…….
Take this scenario for example……Lets say we have a 5000 acre quail plantation that’s 80% burn units……10% fields…….5% hardwoods……5% other………If there are acorns raining on the ground in those hardwoods…..should I have trouble seeing deer??.......If you have trouble in that scenario with “where have the deer gone??”…….You have other issues than akerns……. Unless of course, there are large stands of Oaks within say 2-3 miles of the fringes of the quail plantation, and the deer migrate over to this food source to take advantage of it, when it is available. I say "migrate", but "temporarily move their home range" would be a more appropriate description.
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But.. I think their view might be somewhat skewed because they are now majority spending time on managed properties. The status of our deer population can be drastically different when you get away from some of these heavily managed areas. Ol’ boy is spot on about the bias ^^^^…… Apparently my response was completely ignored. Talk about bias. I wrote the dang thing. I responded why that bias wouldn’t fly. Crickets. Just march on with your narrative.
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The bias comes in when you talk like all you ever see wherever you go is unicorns and rainbows and that doesn’t represent 90% of what’s occurring
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